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Originally Posted by SebC
Well, start with establishing basic facts that both sides can agree on. Then build your argument from there.
e.g. CO2 emissions should logically lead to greater temperatures... i.e. the mechanism makes sense.
e.g. Just because some other factor could be having a bigger effect doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything about the factor we control.
e.g. Earth is getting warmer.
Etc.
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Yep all those facts are out there. People are choosing to ignore them, downplay them or attempt to completely falsify them.
I do love the attitudes of many out there, that unless its a direct problem to me I'm not going to do anything. Pretty much spells out what the problems are and why the debate is so acrimonious. Call it me be condescending, sure. I reiterate that the facts have been laid bare, we are seeing the obvious effects of climate change happening right now. We don't know what the impacts will be. They range from mild effects to catastrophic. Even with that we still do not see much impetus to do anything about it, chiefly because it will cost us more leaving less money to use on other crap. So as a result we decide to argue about 'consensus' and 'not my problem' and 'there are other things to worry about' and the like.
Sadly, if there is a day of reckoning all the laggards, deniers, obfuscators, and self-centered wont have to answer the bell any more than anyone else. And the real hurt will be born by those who really have had very little to do with the problem (most developing world people) or those who have had nothing to do with the problem (every other species that will be impacted). As an animal lover, the last point is particularly stinging because we are talking about, in the range of bad situations, mass extinctions. Somehow that doesn't warrant an extra $10 at the pump.
That's probably proof enough that there is no righteous God because if there was we would have been well smote by now.