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Thor · 06-15-2010, 11:48 AM

I wasn't taking a shot at your source, but how everything I said you just skimmed over and you keep going back to him.

Again, like I've explained while he states about the numbers of people he also states if you read the whole thing that it doesn't mean the science is telling us AGW but that we need to be transperant, honest and not push an agenda without the backing of the evidence to do so.

Which I wholeheartedly agree with, not only on this issue but every issue facing us, I am a skeptical thinker and I'm more than happy to challenge any and all ideas, its healthy.

But you are too eager to find things agreeing with your own bias (we all have our own biases), while others who in these debates post countless counter 'links/videos'..

I mean again what is the point, you have your perceived bias towards this issues, others have their own counter, while most reasoned people I would think tend to lie centrist on the debate while leaning towards the evidence which is still even without massive consensus on the side of man made global warming, even if its a less significant factor than some have hastily proclaimed.

Its still a big matter of doing something intelligent, productive and decisive because if we are facing some very serious future consequences the time to start changing our ways is now, not 20yrs from now when the obvious affects of any potential incoming warming phase is here.

Now having said that, we could be on a natural cycle of warming which a fair number of scientists warn from studying past ice ages is a sign of an incoming ice age; there is even data to support showing that ice ages can come on with a vengeance 50-100yrs of massive ice growth and cooling of the planet. This would be devastating to the planet and would surely kill off billions.

Then there is the opposite possibility, we are entering a hot planet which could last for a long long time, this also has extreme dire consequences man made or not; its still stuff we need to really really be aware of and start thinking more about.

But we can still just post links and play gotcha while nobody goes anywhere with anything because it seems debate in this day and age isnt about reaching consensus and finding solutions but rhetoric and all the silliness we see in the global warming debate.

06-15-2010, 11:48 AM	#48
Thor God of Hating Twitter Join Date: Apr 2006 Exp:	I wasn't taking a shot at your source, but how everything I said you just skimmed over and you keep going back to him. Again, like I've explained while he states about the numbers of people he also states if you read the whole thing that it doesn't mean the science is telling us AGW but that we need to be transperant, honest and not push an agenda without the backing of the evidence to do so. Which I wholeheartedly agree with, not only on this issue but every issue facing us, I am a skeptical thinker and I'm more than happy to challenge any and all ideas, its healthy. But you are too eager to find things agreeing with your own bias (we all have our own biases), while others who in these debates post countless counter 'links/videos'.. I mean again what is the point, you have your perceived bias towards this issues, others have their own counter, while most reasoned people I would think tend to lie centrist on the debate while leaning towards the evidence which is still even without massive consensus on the side of man made global warming, even if its a less significant factor than some have hastily proclaimed. Its still a big matter of doing something intelligent, productive and decisive because if we are facing some very serious future consequences the time to start changing our ways is now, not 20yrs from now when the obvious affects of any potential incoming warming phase is here. Now having said that, we could be on a natural cycle of warming which a fair number of scientists warn from studying past ice ages is a sign of an incoming ice age; there is even data to support showing that ice ages can come on with a vengeance 50-100yrs of massive ice growth and cooling of the planet. This would be devastating to the planet and would surely kill off billions. Then there is the opposite possibility, we are entering a hot planet which could last for a long long time, this also has extreme dire consequences man made or not; its still stuff we need to really really be aware of and start thinking more about. But we can still just post links and play gotcha while nobody goes anywhere with anything because it seems debate in this day and age isnt about reaching consensus and finding solutions but rhetoric and all the silliness we see in the global warming debate. __________________ Allskonar fyrir Aumingja!!