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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
I thought the point was pretty clear that he was making.
You said that part of the reason smokers throw their butts on the ground is because they're gross and they don't want to have to hang on to them to find somewhere to throw them.
His post pointed out that if the people producing the butts find them disgusting, then those that don't smoke likely find them even more so, and hence, smokers throwing them on the ground because they're gross, is incredibly inconsiderate because they are affecting those who don't smoke and find the litter even more disgusting.
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I just don't understand why that is important.
So we've established that everyone finds butts disgusting. And...?
I said I support the use of stubbis because butts are disgusting. My post is clear. I said that carrying around a wrapper is easy, carrying around a butt is not. Hence, I said I supported the Stubbis because it might allow people to use the Stubbi and then throw out the butts later because you can't just carry around a butt all day in your pocket.
He pointed out that the non-smokers hate butts even more. Again, so what? Why is that important? Is he supporting Stubbis too? Not supporting them?
I don't see why non-smokers feelings on cigarette butts is important in any way to smokers not wanting to carry around gross butts and thus why Stubbis are good.
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
Kind of like the common sense it takes to think "Hey I'm gonna go outside and have a smoke today (my fifth of the day, for the 500th consecutive day), and there are no ashtrays out where I smoke. Maybe I should finally take some sort of receptical to throw my butt into so I don't have to throw it on the ground."
Is that the kind of common sense you're talking about?
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But those kind of inconsiderate people probably don't care either way. Stubbi or no stubbi I don't think they're going to stop littering. I still think stubbis are a good idea but that is why ashtrays are needed. Some people are just too lazy or stupid to stop littering.
And it has nothing to do with smokers. Those same people who litter their butts will also litter their garbage. This isn't a smoker vs non-smoker debate. There are two debates. One is a considerate vs inconsiderate people and the other is stubbis vs no stubbis.
Everyone in this thread says they hate litter. So presumably none of us litter garbage, butts or anything else when we can avoid it.
Having stubbis isn't going to make litterers stop littering. But it might help people who want to have a smoke and have no means of disposing of their cigarette when they are done.
I like the idea of stubbis because it might help people avoid littering when they can but people who are going to litter are going to litter. But that is why the big fine was put into place. I would prefer more ashtrays over stubbis but whatever.
Even if there were free stubbis everywhere, ashtrays at every doorway and corner, some people would still litter. Just like how people still litter their garbage despite there being garbage cans everywhere around the city.