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Originally Posted by flip
I don't get your logic. You support having public trash cans but not ashtrays? Makes no sense.
IF there weren't any garbage cans in public places people would complain. Just like how people are complaining there are no public places to dispose of butts.
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I think you misunderstood what I meant.
I wasn't saying that I'm in favour of removing ash trays, what I'm saying is that if smokers want to smoke they'll have to make due with what the public at large, or private busninesses, are willing to provide, and sometimes that means coming up with a solution yourself, such as using one of these stubbis.
There are a lot of places where trash cans are abundant. Does that mean that people should be allowed to throw their trash on the ground if they are somewhere where there are no trash cans? Of course not.
Why then do people make arguments like, "Well if they don't want us thowing our cigarette butts on the ground, why don't they put up more ashtrays?" The point I'm making is that more smokers have to take on that responsibility themselves.
Let's use Stephen ave as an example. There aren't a lot of ashtrays on that street (or at least I assume there aren't becasue I see a lot of butts on the ground, especially right in front of the numerous building doors where people aren't supposed to be smoking anyway, but that's a different argument), so why do smokers feel this is justification for throwing their butts on the ground, instead of finding some alternative means of getting rid of your smokes, like say these new stubbi dealies.
If I was to use the same logic as most smokers, I'd be perfectly justfied if I were to go on a hike, and instead of packing my garbage out of the woods, I just decided to throw it all along the trail, because if they don't want me littering, they should provide more garbage cans. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would agree with this logic, even amongst those that think the same logic applies to cigarette butts on Stepephen Ave.