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Old 04-15-2010, 06:08 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by MoneyGuy View Post
I'll just say it's somewhere between a million and enough to buy the Calgary Flames.

As for this debate on ETFs being a better choice than funds or stocks, I know someone will say I have a vested interest, but I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. It's not whether I can save 50 basis points, but what will make me better off.

I don't have the time for a full reply right now, but first off you can't buy the performance of the index anyway. If 20% of actively managed funds under perform the index and it costs 50 bps to buy the index, that 20% then likely becomes something like 35%. Take out the dogs from the fund universe and look just at the really good managers and it's way different. I'd argue that if you choose from the elite managers that you'll out perform the index minus the cost of buying the index. I know it, but some people use a very one-sided case for index investing.

Then, if you buy the ETFs without advice, are you going to do the right things when you own the ETFs? Most people screw up and let emotions rule their decisions, harming themselves. I can't tell you the number of times I've persuaded someone to stay the course near a market bottom, when they wanted to sell everything and head for the hills. Market's down 30% and your heart wants to sell, but a year later you held on and are up 20%. How much is that worth?

What is the tax and estate planning we do worth? What about everything else that we do to keep folks on track?

Sorry, but if you want to cut your fees by 50 bps, go ahead. Will you be better off than by dealing with a client-centred advisor like Slava? I highly doubt it.
Sort of indirect to your post, but I just wanted to follow through that an underlying theme in this thread is the emotion of money. Emotional that they feel sorry for themselves, emotional that they feel attached to spending money to "keep up to society" or emotional trying to one-up each other. Who cares? I mean... be smart about it and be pro-active about your money moves, but don't be so emotional about it. Either the have's (aka. the Donald Trump guy) or don't (aka. why or why did i do a communications degree). I hope this doesn't come across as pretentious, but I think goals and plans you set in life should be real and not just about $$ figures, then choose the best path that works for you.
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