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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
The Taliban was harbouring Osama Bin Laden. They refused to hand the man responsible for the attack (and attacks in the past) over, whether they could or not, and they paid the price. Next time, don't let terrorists live under your nose and cut deals with them. It's pretty simple. The US is still there for a multitude of reasons, some humanitarian -- although you won't allow me to bring that up, apparently -- others strategic. War is multi-faceted. You're not the only one to believe what NATO is doing is not roses and sunshine, but there isn't some Bourne Identity conspiracy going on, either.
Osama Bin Laden has said on many separate occasions he wanted a war with the United States. He knew what he did would enrage Bush. He knew, in war, fighting in country you are intimately familiar with and have fought wars in the past on, is supremely beneficial. He wanted the U.S. in Afghanistan because he knew what he could do there -- just like what he helped do against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden knew the United States inside of a Muslim nation would raise the ire of many radical Muslims across the world, and, funny enough, those closest to Afghanistan itself. He didn't give a rat's ass about the Taliban, and wanted to create the appearance of a Crusade.
Bin Laden knew what he was doing. You give far too much credit to there being some all-knowing NATO and United States power, and far too little to Osama Bin Laden and his inner council. He's clearly a capable war-leader, and knew far more about insurgency than the United States did on the day of invasion. He new what would happen.
And dismissing proof I give you out of hand does not make it any less valid; it simply shows how entrenched you are on your own belief.
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Yeah i think you're giving far too much credit to a man who is apparently an outcast from his family, living in mountains in a backward and barbaric country. Taliban were hardly harbouring anyone. Like i said, they asked for proof and the US had none, and has none to this day besides a controversial video tape. Bin Laden himself has said he was not responsible. Like i said it has been reported in western media:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34440,00.html
Fox News has reported it, for the love of god.
As for war being multi-faceted, do you really think any part of the NATO mission includes the well-being of Afghans? I'm not talking about the soldiers on the ground. I'm sure there are some who genuinely care. I'm talking about the higher ups.
It's much more realistic to give credit to an 'all-knowing NATO and US power' than to say that Bin Laden and his 'council' orchestrated one of the biggest attacks on American in history. All from the caves of Afghanistan.
And for the record, i'm not dismissing any of your proof because you have not given any. All you have stated is what the official government stance would have you believe.