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Originally posted by Agamemnon@Sep 18 2005, 04:57 PM
Yup.# You're establishing the 'dream' by examining what is probable (reality), and then wishing for the opposite (fantasy).
I think many people wish that all drugs were legal, and no one did any of them.# Obviously that wouldn't work.# I'd do drugs in your back yard, and (because I'm a little wealthier, and can afford better security) I think I'll set up shop there with my friends... maybe now it will be 'my' backyard.# Private Property and all that.# What was yours will be mine, and there's nothing you can do about it except wave a 'natural law' book in my face.# What happens if I take your book?
You're setting up anarchy, nothing less.# Anarchy is the opposite of order, and thus far, you've established collective order (the only kind seen on any scale in the past... 2-3 centuries?) as completely illegitimate, while legitimizing anarcho-fantasy.
Why don't you just buckle and announce that your ideology is pure philosophy, and should be examined as such?# You'd get a lot farther if you said 'i believe in reduced levels of government' than 'government is a slave-driving thief who is ruining my life.'
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Nice. Every time I hope my post is not open to any double meanings, you are right there to prove me wrong. I clearly indicated that the “dream” part was a stretch, to illustrate a point. But, no, you can and you will completely by pass that and start putting words into my mouth.
Probably I should have said "community" instead of "society." Do you really think I was thinking of society on the global scale, that no one in the world would do drugs? Where did you get that from? Obviously I was talking about close surrounding society. Do you think it is a fantasy to think that certain streets, communities, neighboroughs, and suburbs wouldn’t be drug free even if drugs were legal? That’s silly. Who cares if people do drugs miles away? I don’t. Let them do whatever they want. How is that building a fantasy world? Yeah, it is not.
If you were to set up a shop in my back yard, I would either kick you off by myself or with the help of security agency. Is it a fantasy to think people would protect their property? Why would your security agency back you up while you would clearly be aggressing against my property rights? Such agency would lose its customers, don’t you think? Unless you think that majority of people want to associate themselves with thugs, but then there is no hope for us, stateless society or not.
Anarchy is not the opposite of order. But nice try. Anarchy means absence of ruler (no ruler). It may be a fantasy to you, because you know precious little about it. Under communism, people were not able to imagine a private grocery store. It was all fantasy to them because all they knew were empty-shelved, poorly serviced state owned grocery shops. And now? You have private grocery stores everywhere, offering higher quality goods and services those poor people could have ever imagined.
Lastly, I can’t say that I believe in reduced levels of government, because, well I don’t believe in reduced levels of government. You don’t want me to be hypocritical, do you?
