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Originally posted by Five-hole@Sep 18 2005, 11:16 PM
Way to totally miss the point, as usual.
I don't, and many thousands of others don't, view taxation as stealing. It's part of the greater social contract that ensures and makes possible a stable society in which self-actualization can occur without inevitable harmful or fatal interference from violent others. I know you probably don't buy the social contract thing, and that's where we differ. But it always offends me when you assume that nobody else does either, and they apparently share all your assumptions about the world and then it's just a matter of realizing that your dream state magically fixes all these problems. I believe in social contract, consequently the government is not stealing from me. Until you realize that, you'll never convince me of an argument which accepts that as a premise.
That's what I'm talking about with you arguing on your own terms. You always do it, and I hate it, which is why I very much dislike arguing with you.
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OK that`s fair enough. The government is stealing from those, who dissagree with the social contract concept (you are right, I do disagree with that, I have never seen one, I have never signed one. Have you?) and do not want to pay taxes. Still, that is plenty of people (otherwise tax evasion wouldnt be a major crime).
Was this the middle ground you were speaking of?
BTW
1.unhappy people in stateless Somalia = stateless society is not working
2.unhappy people under governmental rule = if they dont like they can fata off, still the state is great
Double standards, anyone?