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Old 09-16-2005, 12:05 PM   #39
Lurch
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Maybe I can borrow your history book, because from what I know from my books, it was English, French, Spanish, and later American imperial armies who killed most of the natives in America. You know, imperial countries. Again, lets blame capitalism for that...
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- original appropriation
Imperialism and orginal appropriation are by and large the same thing. Armies created property rights and private landholders where none existed previously.


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You are right in your last paragraph (save the last sentence). No such collective agreement is needed. Does existence of your right to your life depends on the opinion of the others? If the majority of the society says you have no such right, you wont have it? Then you should be killed freely? Is that your dream society?
Dream society ideal is silly - it cannot exist. So no, this has nothing to do with my dream. However, it is clear that if the majority decides my right to life is no longer a right, then I no longer have that right. Any number of genocides can attest to this. Private rights are meaningless when groups can organize and expropriate those rights. History has shown 2 things that unavoidably make your ideal society impossible: people organize and groups/people are aggressive. No matter how well you perform mental acrobatics, you cannot pull a spontaneous natural law out of thin air that everyone will abide by in recognition that its in their best interests.

As a point on why your system won't work economically speaking consider the following. An individual inventor comes up with an economic way to create solar power. Alas, there are no patents since there is no gov't to enforce them. He does not have access to capital unless he shares his plans with companies to demonstrate the technology. The company decides that they love the technology, but lo and behold, it turns out they actually invented it, not the inventor. The inventor is paid the grand sum of a coffee and a donut for his invention, becomes disillusioned and gives up pursuing inventions. As I understand your system, this won't happen b/c this violates the intellectual property rights of the inventor - as enforced by "NATURAL LAW", or alternatively, the army of about 1 that the inventor can afford to enforce his property rights.
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