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Originally Posted by pylon
talked to a guy that works at a VW Dealership in NY once, and he pays $600 a month, and that is after tax dollars, for basically 1/2 the coverage I get under Ab. Health care, and my benefits package at work... and he thinks that's an awesome deal. He was shocked that I got 80% of my dental covered, where I was po'd I have to pay 20%.
Socialism is one thing I cannot stand, but when it comes to medicine... all Hail Karl Marx.
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I know an investment banker that moved to Manhattan and for himself andhis wife he pays over $500 a month for health insurance. And he has a great job making good money for one of the largest investment banks in NY. Factor that into your cost when considering taxes in the States and Canada. He's always floored to hear about what we pay and the services we receive.
The other thing that bothers me is how republicans have convinced millions that other systems are "socialist." What is socialist about a single payer health care system? Yes, because rich people often have to see the same doctors as the middle class makes it slumming. Yes, Canada, is socialist. In fact, my dentist, the newspaper delivery boy, Iggy and I all make the same amount of money too!
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
You're worried that a government official is going to decide what treatment you can receive? Well how is that worse than an insurance company exec deciding?
Seriously, here in communist Canada it's doctors that make those decisions, not our MPs. Meanwhile insurance companies, up until now, were willing and able, to take people's money for years, and then when they need it, to deny coverage becasue it was a pre-existing condition.
Why anyone would think that's a fair system is beyond me.
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That's one thing I've never understood about the US. They vehemently and intrinsically distrust government but don't bat an eyelash about being bent over by private companies for insurance premiums and denial of coverage on a national level. At least the government you can sway, influence and elect. Private firms take you to the cleaners and never care. You have no influence over them running their business ever.
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
The difference is "you" dont get better care but that on average everyone gets slightly better care.
In Canada you go in to a centralized clinic location, wait a few hours to see the doctor that is working today say you have a tweaked back they tell you nothing they can do and just to get some rest. At most he prescribes some Tylenol 4 which you have to go to a different location to find a pharmacy and pay for it. And that is after waiting X hours to see the doctor.
In the US, you go to a clinic which is much closer to where you are, pay $135US and a doctor gives to a cortizone and morphine shot and you are out of the doctors office within 45 minutes total. 35 of those minutes are you grilling the doctor of the safety of the cortizone and morphine shot because your doctor in Canada never once suggested that after 10+ times of going to one yet in the US where you are on vacation that is the first thing he suggests.
And what do you know, for free you get the type of service you would expect with the price tag of free. And with $135 you get something completly different that actually solves your immediate problem and you wonder what everyone on American TV bitches about.
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There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't know where to begin. As Comicbook Guy once said, prepare for an itimized list of refutes:
1). Yes, in Canada we all have to walk uphill both ways in -30 weather to see a doctor 30km away. In fact, people in Calgary are only allowed to see doctors in Edmonton, and Edmontonians in Calgary. And e, if you want to go to a pharmacy, you have to scale the Rockies in both directions to get to BC. Your novel idea of putting doctor's office and pharmacies in the same building and close to where people live is a novel one, let me write ol' Stevey Harper with this game changer.
2). And boy are you correct about wait times. In fact, it takes me 3 hours to see a government official before I am allowed to step into a doctor's office. That really adds up, I mean, it's not like waiting 5, 15 or 30 minutes to see a doctor has ever happened in Canada. Our
cialized medicine" wouldn't allow it.
And our doctors prescribe you nothing because they really aren't doctors. We in Canada were able to drastically cut our unemployment rates by dressing the homeless in lab coats and stethescopes and having them spin a cardboard wheel to tell you which pills you should take. Come to think of it, has anyone ever really been treated by a doctor before in this country?
It's not really the "socialist" way.
3). I'd gladly go wait 14 hours for my doctor but the government death panel that is deciding the fate of my Grandfather may rule any year now and I really can't afford to miss it up by getting up and going to the doctor.
4). The better alternative was to be denied coverage for hooking up with a burner when I was 16 and on the off chance they accept that, taking out a third mortgage on a house I can't afford to cover my health care expenses sounds like a better option to me. After all, I may be paying 3X as much, be much fatter and live less years, but I'll be danged if I ever catch my daughta datin' a socialist, dag nab it!