[Thor]

Well its like two guys yelling at each other from extreme ends while the rest of us sit in the middle shaking our heads.

This debate has gone from important to muddled, confused and to put it mildly, wildly partisan.

I mean I do worry about our contributions to the warming, am I as freaked out as most are about the possibilities of what that means? not really. But I don't want the debate to be talking points or people just reading web pages that support their view without the seeking of truth being their end goal.

I mean whats sad is that lamens are all now thinking they are experts and because some emails and the greed of people has then apperantly to them turned all of the science into junk. When the truth is we have a lot to worry about, whether we are seeing the start to an incoming ice age to us putting the planet on a tipping point; either of which would mean disastrous consequences for this planet.

I want reasonable discussions, reasonable solutions to start moving us towards green energy, smart and intelligent use of our resources and especially protecting our fresh water and oceans because if we don't we are creating some very major future problems for our future generations.

Thats not hippy thinking its not lets panic and bankrupt our nations over it, its not lets make people rich on carbon trading crap, its just common sense.

But its hard to get that discussion going because of the damn noise from the extreme sides of each point of view.

Its very frustrating.