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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Yeah, I kind of see what your saying, and it's an interesting point, but I just don't know about that totally. I think most people want to live happy, peaceful lives. They want lots of friends, family and fortune. I think wars are fought over resources, the "have's and have-nots" and I think religion is a tool or excuse used to help exercise agendas to achieve those ends.
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Sure people want peace, however mankinds nature of suspicion, jealousy, pettiness and greed will always get in the way of a lasting peace. In fact, I really can't think of a violent situation that was resolved strictly with diplomacy, usually one side is beaten, crushed and on the verge of extermination. And then peace is always enforced under the umbrella of war.
As I mentioned, if religion wasn't around, there would be other things to fight about that would take center stage. Remove religion, and race wars might become more prevalent, or the war between classes or the war between intellects and non intellects.
Why do you think we have borders? keep out of whats mine or I'll blow your brains out.
There are more agenda's then what god you believe in. WWII was about political ideologies, WW1 was about pride and handshake agreements, Korea and Vietnam weren't about anything but global positioning.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Or is this what you mean?
I think wars are fought because of power and enhancing a people's quality of life, not hair colour or religion like your saying. Is this the human nature part you refer to?
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Power and wealth and the retention of status are all hardwired into us. Even a person like Ghandi craved the power to change his reality. Frankly belief is a form of power. If I can convince enough people that my belief is more right then our neighbors belief I'm betting that eventually with man's natural competitiveness that violence will ensue.
Owning possessions is a belief, gaining wealth is the 21st century religion. All of these are things that we crave and once we have them will do anything to prevent their loss.
We're a violent global society because of the evolution of survival and might. Its been wired into us.
And that brings up an interesting point if you think about it. Lets say that someday a section of society renounces violence and war and possessions, and that becomes a threat to those modern men, how long do you think it will take to throttle down those hippy s and try to convert them back to mans genetic traits.