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Old 12-05-2009, 10:58 AM   #314
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Thousands of emails are stolen and taken out of context for a political agenda by deniers who base their beliefs on ideology. Deniers are frothing at the mouth but when asked for actual evidence in the emails that demonstrate something fishy they can't produce it, or when something they thought was fishy is explained in context they ignore it and continue on with their ideologically driven witch hunt.

HOZ's post is a perfect example, he's quotemined a few paragraphs and used that to imply that there's a grand coverup and it's all a lie, when in fact if you read the article there's no such thing implied. If I were a scientists and I had people with that kind of dishonesty trying to obtain the data so they could make ideologically based books and news clips that appear to refute the science when in fact they don't, I'd feel no obligation to share the data with them too. Honest scientists, sure I'll share the data. Talking head who has no science background but thinks that books are science, sorry go pound salt.

McIntyre and McKitrick are another example.. guys who work in the mining and economics industry. Their paper is published in a non-scientific journal so have not been peer reviewed, and their comments to Nature were rejected upon peer review (well not peer review, I can't remember what hoops comments go through, different than papers, but still hoops).

So basically they can say what they want in news articles and books and such without actually having their stuff come under scrutiny. Because of the popularity of their stuff their claims have come under scrutiny and have been shown false. But since their paper was never submitted to a science journal and the media rarely does any fact checking with respect to science at all, guys like M&M can have their claims repeated by the media as valid, when they aren't.

As the one link I posted says, science doesn't work despite the human ego, it works because of the human ego. One guy publishes a paper and another guy hates his guts or it threatens his theory so he does everything in his power to show the paper is flawed.. that's a good thing.
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