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Originally Posted by HOZ
An alternative has been given. It is a natural cyclical phenomenon. We neither can help it or stop it
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Please cite the papers where this is put forward and the evidence related to it.
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No, there has been more before.
Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation. He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now.
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There was a time in the past when there was no oxygen in the atmosphere too, that doesn't mean that that's a good thing.
When was the CO2 levels been 1000 times current levels, with evidence? A book isn't science.
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Read the links I provided previously. They have been regurgitating their own turds. Different papers written by the same people using the same data(sources of unknown or very shaky quality) but with the names in different order.
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Yeah, the same guys have written the thousands and thousands of papers. Busy guys, their arms must be tired. And of course that doesn't say anything about the validity of the papers either, but they must be bad papers because they're all written by the same guys, and the guys write bad papers.
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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
You are showing yourself to be a hypocrite. If you cared about science like you pretend to you would be greatly offended by what's in those e-mails. Instead you defend them to the end.
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No, that's just you seeing what you want to see. Please point out where I've "defended" them. The only thing I've done is provide some real information to offset the misinformation and ignorance about the emails.
I support an investigation.
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These guys behaved in a manner that betrayed the trust given them. They conspired to keep opposing scientist's work from being published in journals and to have sympathetic Peers review their own work.
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Which emails show this?
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They somehow got their work reviewed and published without providing the raw data upon which their conclusions were drawn.
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The data has been available for years, except a small portion which could not be provided because of licensing. Anyone who wanted to refute their work could have done so.
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Yes the raw data still exists but, the process of regathering it from all over the world would be timely and costly.
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95% of it is freely downloadable over the Internet.
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also conspired to delete any e-mails that might show the methodology("tricks") they used to come to their conclusions; E-mails which were requested under the Freedom of information act.
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"Tricks" doesn't refer to anything of concequence, at least not in the email that I've read it from. Which email are you talking about?
If they hid from FOI requests then yes that's serious and an investigation should (and is going to) be held.
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Sure the consensus would be the same. But consensus based on what? Based on who is paying for your research.
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Consensus based on data. I know you think science is flawed and conclusions are made on desire rather than evidence, because you must think it's flawed in order to fit with your worldview. That makes your judgment flawed, as long as science comes up with conclusions you do not like (evolution, old earth, etc), you will continue to discount it.
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Based on your blind trust of Scientists such as the ones who wrote those e-mails? The fact is this University is responsible for the long part of that famous hockey stick. They're the guys who harmonized the data from all over the world looking at historical temperature measurements. It's them that the UN relied on and everyone else who wished to compare historical norms with what we are seeing today globally.
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Based on a scientific consensus across multiple disciplines, not just temperatures. They're not the only ones, there's other sources of data completely independent by other teams that have similar results.
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This is your child's future at stake. If global warming is man caused and if our sacrifice will meaningfully change things it might be worth the price being asked. But until at least some of their climate change models are able to correctly predict what happens in the short term I'm not willingly going to let my country give my children's future away on the gamble they're right long term.
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Appeal to emotions aren't science.