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Originally Posted by photon
That you have judged them guilty before the investigation has even been started shows your bias.
Rather than innocent until proven guilty, you're just thrilled that it appears to you that there's something to support your pre-conceived bias.
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You are showing yourself to be a hypocrite. If you cared about science like you pretend to you would be greatly offended by what's in those e-mails. Instead you defend them to the end. These guys behaved
in a manner that betrayed the trust given them. They conspired to keep opposing scientist's work from being published in journals and to have sympathetic Peers review their own work. They were paid millions to gather historical data on the earths temperature from all over the world and harmonized it to be used by other scientists as benchmarks to compare to what is going on today. They somehow got their work reviewed and published without providing the raw data upon which their conclusions were drawn. Yes the raw data still exists but, the process of regathering it from all over the world would be timely and costly. It would take at least a few years. They not only "accidentally" deleted the raw data but, also conspired to delete any e-mails that might show the methodology("tricks") they used to come to their conclusions; E-mails which were requested under the Freedom of information act.
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Originally Posted by photon
For a third time you can throw everything from this university out and the consensus would remain the same.
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Sure the consensus would be the same. But consensus based on what? Based on who is paying for your research. Based on your blind trust of Scientists such as the ones who wrote those e-mails? The fact is this University is responsible for the long part of that famous hockey stick. They're the guys who harmonized the data from all over the world looking at historical temperature measurements. It's them that the UN relied on and everyone else who wished to compare historical norms with what we are seeing today globally.
Don't minimize the importance of this. The UN is looking for billions from nations such as Canada and the USA as just start up money to deal with global warming issues in the future. China(the world's fastest growing economy) in a brilliant political move promised to reduce emissions by 42%. The move is brilliant because unlike the western world all we will have is their word to rely on for whether they're being faithful. Now the pressure is squarely on nations like ours to reduce emissions which will mean a reduced economy and reduced wealth.
This is your child's future at stake.
If global warming is man caused and
if our sacrifice will meaningfully change things it might be worth the price being asked. But until at least some of their climate change models are able to correctly predict what happens in the short term I'm not willingly going to let my country give my children's future away on the gamble they're right long term.