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Originally Posted by Bagor
The debate here is not unlike the creationist/evolution one where a creationist having zero ground to stand on pumps all his energy into disproving evolution rather than proving his own belief.
When I say "not unlike" FTR I'm not suggesting that the skeptics have zero to go on nor is the argument for as strong as the argument for evolution. Just an analogy of the behaviour.
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Just want to make one more crack at this insane post, and how backwards it is.
Climate change scientists had an idea and theory that global warming was occuring. The data showed this. So then they decided that the culprit was man made co2. Despite the fact that there was zero evidence of this (something edited out of the 1st IPCC report). Then global warming stopped... and they changed the whole mantra to 'climate change'.
Even tho no direct peer reviewed evidence exists that man made co2 is to blame, it remains the crux of their theory. They take a conclusion.. then try and prove it, no matter what the data shows. Then, when data doesn't reflect what they want, they manipulate it, as proven by these emails (and long suspected). Science IS NOT taking a solution then jamming the data into it. Science is CRITICAL. It demands the theories be held up after scrutinization. The same way that bible thumpers ignore data and try and prove god at any cost, climate change zealots ignore data that doesn't agree with them and tries to prove their conclusion at all costs.
Science is
not: Conclusion > data > data doesn't fit try again > data > data doesn't fit try again
Science is Observe > postulate a theory > test > does it match the data? if no, try a new theory
If science can show with peer reviewed observations that our co2 is driving climate change, and not the sun and clouds, then I'll be happy to do my part and encourage legistlation that will crippled the economy but at least save the Earth for our future generations. This data, however, doesn't exist. The hacked CRU emails and the hockey stick graph show climate change zealots are bypassing the peer review process for their own personal gain, and to ensure their cushy lifestyles funded by government grants.