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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

And you are misunderstanding me. Let me clarify.

Is there more hard evidence, right now, to prove that aliens exist and are alive, than there is hard evidence to prove God exists and is alive? What is your definition of hard evidence, because it seems much looser than mine. Has anyone touched an alien? Has anyone seen an alien? Has anyone smelled an alien? Has anyone done ANYTHING that can be proven, recorded, and tested, when it comes to alien life? Anything? Giving me statistics and probabilities is NOT evidence, not to me, and not to how I view real science. Science is composed of testable hypotheses, not guesses and chances.

Tell me how you do anything but guess the value of fc. For those that don't know, fc in the value stands for the fraction of civilizations that develop technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space. That is unprovable, and, as a result, has little place in a discussion of actual, hard, science. Even putting in the lowest numbers, it is still a guess.

Anyways, once you find that alien civilization this argument won't matter, because aliens will have been proven to exist. Until then, there is no ACTUAL, HARD evidence to prove that. There is nothing. Nada. Zip. The same as the existence of God. Nothing. Nada. Zip. That is what this argument began as. How can you dismiss the existence of one on the basis of there being more "evidence" for the other? It's impossible at this time.

The probability that Extrateresterials exist is greater than or equal to zero. The probability that god exists is not provable. End of story.