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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Are you being serious? I will respond point by point:
I am no troll and am confused with your response.
If the music is being used as sleep deprivation and the purpose is somehow to fight terrorism then I am all for it. You must be incredibly naive if you think that is somehow over the top...we have soldiers dieing oversees right now.
I don't care what the Red Cross says - I simply stated that if they are playing music in order to reduce mass murder, then I am all for it. We can argue if the prisoners are the right people or not - in another thread. That was not my point, even if you are trying to cram it into this thread.
What is appalling or astonishing about what I said? Years ago the Americans ended a war with massive bombs in Japan killing hundreds of thousands (I forget the exact numbers), now music is being used to somehow extract information to defend us. I have no idea if it works or not, but they must be using it for a reason.
And what in what I wrote was insanely idiotic? I think I am being pretty clear. I am one of those people that think torture can be used if it means saving lives - this may or may not make me join the majority of thinkers, but in no way shape or form is it idiotic or insane. Debatable for sure, yet why the name calling? You also claim I was rambling and incoherent - are you sure you read my posts? How are people dumber for reading about what happens to be a legitimate point of view that is supported by many nations around the world, including the United States. Let me ask you - if torturing someone would lead to the safe release of someone in your family, would you approve of it? These are tough ethical questions that do not deserve name calling or other idiocy.
I have previously gone into any debate regarding torture and am not sure where my own limits are for what is acceptable, yet I do know that forms of torture take place in Canada and many other places. Some are very mild (mental anguish, sleep deprivation) while other types of torture are very painful. I do have a family member that I could ask if you feel like knowing more about what takes place in Canada, but if you are on the team that thinks anything 'George Bush USA' does is wrong, then forget about it.
And may your god have mercy on all of our souls if some lunatic explodes something here in Calgary. If there ever were major bombs going off in Calgary you would see many people jumping the fence to use any means necessary to extract information.
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My position is that torture is wrong. Period. End of argument.
Even if you did agree that torture is justified in certain cases... Is it acceptable to detain 4 people without due process and torture them for every 1 terrorist you do this to? And how will this prevent terrorism in the long run? All these innocents that they're kidnapping and torturing... does that make them more or less likely to consider joining a terrorist organization next time they start soliciting new recruits? You're actively feeding what you're trying to prevent.
As for bombing Japan... "Well, we've done worse than this in the past so this is ok" and "Two wrongs make a right".
As for my edit, its a quote from Billy Madison and meant to be taken slightly tongue in cheek. Don't take it personally - its a joke.