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Originally Posted by Bagor

My opinion is based on scientific evidence and research also.

I'm finding the evidence and research to be incomplete and full of knowledge gaps. What about you?

Or maybe you could enlighten me and point me towards the findings of the complete clinical trials this thing has been subjected to .... thanks.

I'll repeat the question I asked you back in post #116.

It's still a work in progress and an information gathering process as we speak so can you please stop calling people foolish and ashamed for adopting what in their opinion is a perfectly logical reason for adopting a wait and see approach.

Really? Are you still pretending you don't know where our information is coming from? Although this is obviously a waste of my time since you have no apparent interest in scientific evidence, I'm going to go through this little exercise anyway in the off chance it will help you or your family. I hope you appreciate the time this is taking.

Health Canada Vaccine Myths (I just pulled one myth but you should really read the site as it pertains to H1N1, and the link to myths in particular.)

Myth 3: Because the H1N1 flu vaccine is new, it is untested and unsafe.

Fact 3: Careful research into the safety of any vaccine is done prior to its widespread use. The requirements for vaccines approved for sale in Canada are stringent. Every vaccine lot is safety-tested by the manufacturer and by the Biologics and Genetic Therapies Directorate at Health Canada. Health Canada will review all available test results, including international data, to ensure the vaccine is safe and effective before it is authorized for use in Canada. The dangers of vaccine-preventable diseases are much greater than the risk from a serious reaction to a vaccine.
The use of an adjuvanted vaccine is not new. The adjuvant used in the H1N1 flu vaccine although new in Canada, has been widely used safely in Europe in other vaccines. This adjuvant has already been evaluated by Health Canada, and no safety concerns have been found.

USA FDA (from a Q&A on H1N1 vaccines)

Are the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines safe?

The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines are manufactured and tested using the same processes used for the seasonal vaccine. Many millions of doses of seasonal vaccine have been distributed every year for many years, and seasonal vaccines have a well-established safety profile. As for seasonal vaccines, safety will also be monitored as part of the vaccination program.

World Health Organization (Again, I'm just posting a small portion of the reams of information they have available on the site.)

Will new pandemic influenza A (H1N1) vaccines be safe?

Licensed vaccines, including influenza vaccines, are held to a very high standard of safety. Likewise, all possible precautions will be taken to ensure safety of new pandemic vaccines and results from clinical trials, currently ongoing or soon to be initiated, will be taken into consideration by the regulatory authorities in their decision to license pandemic vaccines. In early June, WHO held a consultation of experts which reviewed the safety of adjuvants, or substances added to vaccines to make them more effective; no significant safety concerns were identified. Vaccine safety will be carefully monitored through post-marketing surveillance.
How can a repeat of the 1976 swine flu vaccine complications (Guillain-Barré syndrome) experienced in the United States of America be avoided?

Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) is an acute disorder of the nervous system. It sometimes develops following a variety of infections, including influenza. Studies suggest that seasonal influenza vaccines could sometimes be associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome on the order of one to two cases per million vaccinated persons. During the 1976 influenza vaccination campaign, about 10 persons per million vaccinated persons developed GBS which stopped the vaccination campaign and led to the withdrawal of the vaccine.
The reason why GBS developed in association with that specific vaccine has never been firmly established. The potential for the development of a similar risk with future vaccines can never be firmly excluded. However, the influenza A (H1N1) vaccine will be manufactured according to established standards and post marketing surveillance will be conducted to monitor potential development of any serious adverse events following administration of vaccine. Safety monitoring systems are an integral part of strategies for the implementation of the new pandemic influenza vaccines.

Okay, Bagor, so there you have it. So I have Health Canada, the World Health Organization and the FDA on my side. I could keep going on this if you like.

How about the Mayo Clinic?

Is the swine flu vaccine safe?

Yes. Its nonvirus components are the same as those used in the seasonal flu vaccine, which has been tested extensively and monitored for serious reactions for several years. The only difference is that in the swine flu vaccine, novel H1N1 virus replaces the influenza A viruses used in the regular vaccine.

I have it on pretty good authority the vaccine is safe and necessary to prevent the spread of H1N1. I'm really curious to hear who you think trumps those organizations. I mean, this is a slam dunk and it's certainly not a matter of opinion. It's right versus wrong, and you my friend are very wrong and it's putting many people at risk.