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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
I'm not saying that they aren't effective, or aren't safe, they are just unnecessary.
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They aren't "unnecessary". There's plenty of reasons. People missing a week or two at work due to the flu (if you're sick for a day or two, if you were throwing up, then you didn't have the flu) has a significant impact on the economy. They contribte to herd immunity which protects people other than yourself, including those at a higher risk.
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Some people will die of H1N1 despite having gotten the vaccine, and GASP! some people will not die despite not getting the shots.
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Some people will die jumping out of airplanes despite having a parachute, and some people will NOT die despite not having a parachute, so having a parachute and not having a parachute are equivalent too.
Without specific #'s that statement is silly and misleading.
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Influenza kills 2000 - 8000 Canadians every year. Swine flu has so far killed 86.
I'm not sure which is the worst at this exact moment right now, but it's safe to say thousands will die this year from more common influenza's. Whether they're out there now, or coming in 3 weeks, they're coming as always.
If swine starts to get into those ranges of death, I'll line up for a shot too.
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Why wait? By getting the shot now it may help it getting into those ranges? Save some lives... The seasonal flu shot is a prediction of what strains will be prevalent, while the H1N1 shot is for a known strain at the pandemic stage.
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Originally Posted by Drury18
Your absolutely correct. However, at the time, he would have been. As he thought against the grain and church he was punished and told he didn't know anything. Its only AFTER the fact was he proven to be right and now hailed as a scientist. Before, he was just a guy with a crazy idea.
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Wrong. He wasn't a guy with a crazy idea. He was a guy with
evidence of an idea other people thought crazy. They thinking him crazy was based on their rejection of the notion based on their religious beliefs, or just based on inertia and their refusal to look at his evidence, not his idea.
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Originally Posted by Drury18
That's why I'm confused as to why there are scientist's and doctor's out there saying this vaccine is unsafe and they are not being listened to with the same regard as those pushing the vaccine or being categorized as Silver put it as "pseudo-scientists".
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It depends entirely on why they are saying it is unsafe. Do they have evidence? Published in journals? Discussions of actual data among peers? Not pseudo-scientists. Anecdotal evidence from their practice? Saying it's unsafe because people then pay attention to them? Playing the media because "they are persecuted by big pharma?" Pseudo-scientist.
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Let me put it this way.
I have a healthy immune system - and am healthy without flu vaccines, and the like. Now let's say going on from today, there are two versions of me, one that gets every vaccine, and takes drugs every time I get a headache, etc. The other version of me doesn't get vaccines, of take drugs simply for convenience. Which version is going to be healthier in the long run? The version of me that the immune system has been trained not not work very hard, or the immune system that's been allowed to fight off sickness when it comes up?
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This isn't how the immune system works.. I suggest you take what you just said and ask your doctor, or better an immunologist, and say it to them and see what the response is (with respect to vaccines, not drugs for headaches). You can't "train your immune system to not work very hard", it's not a muscle.