[Thor]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Thor

This is another retread of the same topic we get on here each week. This week its about catholics. Next week muslims. Week after that it will be about mormons or an offshoot of the LDS. Then on to the jews. Back to Catholics. Add a dose of anglican criticism. Then back to the muslims again.

Rinse and repeat.

Actually this week its about child abuse, the week before its about women's rights, the week before its about gay rights, the week before its about....

The point is religion is a huge part of the political and daily discourse of the world, and if this offends you, you can certainly pretend it isn't something worth arguing with or debating.

If you dont like someone pointing out the obvious, then dont respond to my posts in this thread. Im catholic. I find these allegations disgusting if true.

Well being that you responded to this thread to tell us we shouldn't speak about this, don't you find it ironic you are bothered I replied to your post?

So fun that you put the caveat 'disgusting if true' to the end there, do you not believe your Catholic church has had a very serious problem with child abuse, do you not see the fact the church has at every turn done its best to deny, deflect, hide/coverup, and make excuses for a systematic problem that is not unique to any country.

But at the same time Im also tired of the holier-than-thou agnostics or athiests who go out of their way to sensationalize every religious scandal to talk about how smart they are that they dont practice.

This is such a ridiculous statement, you cannot argue the point so attack the poster. The fact is I disagree with the idea of God, but I am more than happy to debate it or even respect those forward thinking religious people as I've shown in countless debates.

Its ironic we are holier than thou when we are a 'response' to the religious zealotry, political interference of organized religion that exists today. Apperantly its ok to tell everyone how to live their lives, to what rights we should have according to individual beliefs, but if secularists stand up and argue against this we are strident, rude, arrogant, etc.. Is there anything more arrogant than suggesting not only you believe in God but that you know the mind of God and that he hates fags, hates condoms (not sure where in the bible that is), thinks priests should be celibate, and that a WAFER is the body of Christ.

No, no arrogance or anything with that. You just don't like the fact we bring it up. This is akin to debating politics, liberals vs conservatives. Each side calls the other idiots, and yes each of them think their positions are superior.

I think my argument is strong, but I'm not gonna be mad if a religious person argues their side, I actually quite enjoy it.

Ironically HOZ thanked your original post, irony because he constantly posts threads with a massive hate on for Obama that many posters comment he should stop or not keep doing it.

I never would tell him to stop, I disagree with much of what he says, but I would fight hard to support his every right to do it.

This week its catholics, and like I said above, next week it will be someone else, and it never ends.

This weeks its child abuse at the hands of an organized institution, next week its another. But realize these are debates on ISSUES and the fact it happens to involve organized religion does NOT legitimize the value of the topic nor should it be shut down because it annoys you.

If that was the case we should purge the off topic forum of any debates that offend or bother people, good bye to HOZ's threads on Obama, goodbye any threads that 1 person is offended by.