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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

He's not spreading lies, he's spreading his beliefs and there's a vast difference.

Some of what he says are his own beliefs. Some of what he says are outright falsehoods, things that he says not because they are true or are even subjective, but things that he says simply because he has to say them to maintain his belief structure despite contrary evidence.

Are they lies? Lies imply intent to deceive.. I think he lies to himself in that he ignores or refuses to think about things contrary to his dogmatic conclusions. I think he may lie "for the greater good", often creationists don't seem to mind lying as long as it furthers their goal of stopping the "evil atheistic doctrine of darwinism."

But either way, the solution to lies and ignorance are the same.. education and countering the falsehoods or ignorance with truth.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In your way of thinking, Charles Darwin should have had a sock stuffed in his mouth when he was originally discussing his findings because it went counter to what society believed at the time.

Just a minor point but what Darwin proposed didn't run counter to how society thought; the idea of evolution itself was already there. What Darwin did was bring a mechanism and evidence of that mechanism to the table.

Originally Posted by mykalberta

He can say whatever he wants, what he proved is what I care about.

He proved the theroy of evolution exists, anyone who has travelled around the world can see that (or look on the web to see it).

He didnt prove common ancestory. Those who believe humans came from pond scum will always believe it, and those of us who dont wont.

If you had read his books you would know what he said does support common ancestry. And there's been 150 years of science since Darwin to support it.

The problem is you don't deny what Darwin and others since have said, you deny your (incorrect) concept of what they say. "Those who believe humans came from pond scum" is what you say, when that isn't what is claimed. I would suggest learning about what it is you say you will never believe.

You can believe whatever you wish about common ancestry, but at least it seems you do so honestly; "those of us who don't won't." You choose not to believe it based on your own choice, nothing more. While I think it's a position of ignorance I still respect that more than those who try to ignore the science.