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I'm not saying what you think I am saying.
I know he's not spreading lies to the extent that he believes what he's saying. But he is spreading misinformation. His beliefs are objectively not true.
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Not true according too?
We're talking beliefs here, to him, what he's talking about is the truth
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You guys, please quit saying I want to censor Kirk Cameron. You are spreading misinformation about me. 
Seriously though, I'm not for censorship but I am fundamentally against the spread of things that aren't true pawned off as the truth. |
Who decides the truth or what the truth is? Is it up to the government? the individual? some secretive society of seers huddling over a caldron of bubbling baby parts?
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I agree. It is up to our society to decide if that information is valid or not. And we've decided. Kirk Cameron's ideas are dumb - just ask anybody who is logical and rational.
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There's that logical and rational again. To Kirk Cameron, his beliefs are very logical and rational and based in facts created in his belief system.
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What are you talking about? Charles Darwin's ideas were rational and logical. My criteria for accepting an idea isn't whether or not the masses do, it's whether or not it's true. Kirk Cameron's ideas are antiquated and have been disproved time and time again.
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When Darwin's book first came out there was a fairly strong backlash against it, a great many people saw it as an afront to what was common knowledge at the time, just because it was accepted now, doesn't mean that it was accepted then, and Darwin was probably viewed by a majority of people as his generations Kirk Cameron.
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I'm not talking about somebody arbitrarily deciding what is true and what is a lie. There are objective truths and untruths. What Cameron spouts is objectively untrue.
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To you it is objective truths.
One of the tenents of this society is that we are allowed to believe what we wish to believe, we are even allowed to spread out beliefs to those who accept them.
Kirk Cameron is not spreading hate, he seems to be willing to debate his beliefs with anyone who listens, he's not forcing his beliefs on anyone so its up to the individual on whether they adopt those beliefs or not based on that discussion.
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See I don't give him points for not backing down after losing a debate. That is close minded. I'm much more open minded than that. I'm an atheist because I have never seen a shred of evidence that supports the idea that there is a god or gods. If I was presented with evidence, I would happily change my mind.
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So then and conversly then you can't give points to the evolutionists for not backing down, they must be tremendously closed minded.
I'm not an atheist, I'm not a religious guy, I'm all over evolution, but because I have the faith to believe in a higher power I must be a liar and I should be hammered down by members of society because I don't have the same belief system as them?
BTW in Kirk Cameron's mind, he probably felt like he won the debate based on his own belief system.
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Religious people, conversely, are faced with evidence against their beliefs regularly yet because they have "faith," they ignore the evidence and proceed to believe things that are not true. That to me is not praise worthy.
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Yeah, way to throw the wide net there and call people with a religious slant ignorant or closed minded.
I might not believe what they say, but I respect their right to believe it and have the moral center enough to discuss it and debate it.