Honestly, why do I ever bother. Everytime I clarify my position, which has been quite clear, all you do is spin it around, twist it and throw it back in my face. Saying that I think subsidizing 5 million people who happen to be so goddamn poor that you can't afford ANY kind of health insurance does not then mean I agree with subsidizing health care in general, which you imply by saying this.
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I posted a summary of the plan that stated that IS the current plan, so if your question is "do I actually support this plan I'm railing against" then the answer is "Yes."
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I just don't think subsidizing private coverage on general to give health care to all 50 million uninsured people is a very good solution when there might be other ways to cut costs and make health care more affordable for many people who at this time can't afford it.
Have those ways been explored? No, they haven't. Just like when I propose it and I'm greeted by comments like 'so how long will THAT take to implement it' or some rhetoric about me not thinking people should have access to health care, likewise are those Senators who ARE proposing this kind of legislation being opposed by the same rhetoric.
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It also has a minor side-effect of insuring the uninsured.
But you keep the tally of your talking point going, it will probably support whatever your next stance is.
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As does adding a public option. Why not just do that? Oh right, you don't know, because you just ignored me when I asked that the last 10x.
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This was addressed much earlier in the thread.
Basically, Obama is saying the increase in costs will be manageable.
Supporters don't really believe him but think Bush & Obama's collective spending of trillions of dollars might as well include poor people's health care.
Opposition isn't really interested in addressing the math of the issue, rather the emotion of Obama conscripting freedoms that some of the thread's early posts were laced with.
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And how did Obama say he would manage those costs? By cutting $600 billion from Medicare? By cutting other pork and wasteful spending?
Regardless of how he WILL manage the costs, people who actually live in the real world still need to think where all these resources are going to come for to treat all these people who suddenly have health care. Are there doctors available to do that now? No, there are not. In fact most doctors in the US are at this point already overworked. So you have to start thinking about incentives to get more kids to go to medical school. Is anyone thinking about that? No, they're not. Surprise, surprise.
Maybe, just maybe there are people in the US that give a damn about their country and don't employ the attitude of 'well, if we're going to sink, might as well have health care on the way down.'