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Originally Posted by OBCT
Sounds like the kind of stuff the god of the universe could command from his creation if he so chose. It's that fine balance between love and justice - sometimes we as humans do things that are "mean" to get the point across to children as a consequence. You know that instance when you know they will not learn unless you impose a consequence even you dislike - for their long-term benefit. Amplify that feeling, your perspective on the situation and your power to intercede ten thousand times, and you'll be just barely on your way to God's understanding of human sin.
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So on one hand we're supposed to have free will, but on the other hand if we don't love and worship God then we are punished and condemned to an eternity of suffering. AND in addition to that God hides, not even giving us the benefit of a clear indication of that's what he wants.
The consequences I give my child are matched to the infraction. None of them are eternal and none of them are torture.
If I love a girl and I want her to love me back, giving her the choice of loving me or I lock her in the basement in chains being tortured forever isn't free will.. it's coercion.
If God gave us free will, then no he doesn't have the right to command us. Choosing something under duress and threat of eternal torture isn't free will.
God may hate human sin, but he's the one responsible for it and for him to take it out on us isn't moral.
And you never answered my question about is there free will in heaven?