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Originally Posted by OBCT
I hear you. In short - it was just part of the deal.
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But it didn't have to be. You mention free will, that without the ability to disobey then we wouldn't have free will. I disagree. Aside from the fact that I'm not convinced that free will exists to begin with (but I'll grant that for this), it's entirely possible to limit choices and still have free will. I cannot fly, I cannot walk through walls, I cannot choose to not be subject to the laws of the universe.. yet I have free will.
God could have created things in such a way that sinning was just as impossible as walking through walls, yet still retaining free will. But God didn't. Do you think it's possible to sin in heaven? If not, then there's no free will in heaven.
If I tempt my son with a temptation I know he is incapable of resisting, then I am responsible, not him.
Instead of making a garden and a circumstance where it's all or nothing for all of the human race based on two people, he could have created two realities, one for those who follow and one for those who choose not to. Or some other setup that isn't morally corrupt.
God being clear about his existence or clear about right and wrong does not mean people are blindly following; it's perfectly clear my wife exists, is my free will removed?
It still boils down to disproportionate punishment; it's supposed to be eye for an eye, not all the eyes for one eye.