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Old 09-05-2009, 04:27 PM   #40
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They shoot them down because there ridiculous, here's 50 for the god believers to explain.

http://godisimaginary.com/

Crazy part about posting a link like this is the believers mostly wont dare read it in fear of having a second thought.

Speaking only for myself here, I believe faith is nothing if it cannot hold up to simple scrutiny (logical or otherwise). Other than the quantity of material supplied at that link, there should be nothing to fear for believers.

I often think about many of the complexities of the universe(s), the origin of the physical world as we know it, and how to live a life of purpose and significance in a world of compromise. It isn't easy, and every bit of information helps. To call it a journey is some cliche, but I'd suggest (and humbly hope) that my time on the Earth isn't nearly up yet; there's more to learn and maybe more to teach.

With specific reference to the proofs brought up by that website, T@T, I have to say that the author has done a pretty good job of consolidating many of the modern issues people have with God (and Christians) into one site. I've read or skimmed 10 or so of the proofs, and there were a few assertions I took issue with right off the bat (which is probably to be expected). There were also some points that honestly made me think. It is fair to say that there are confusing - if not outright misleading - portions of the Bible... at least, seemingly so, if only from the viewpoint of a cursory scientific analysis.

What I find interesting is that most atheists with a strong conviction to disprove Christianity to as many people as possible (usually (in my experience)) take their view of things, sprinkle in some choice quotes from extremist Christians as representation of the whole group, and use that as their basis for understanding and argument against the entirety of the "religion". I know there are a lot of viewpoints even within the scope of Christianity, but just as I might first defer to the knowledge of leading experts in the field of physics if I was looking for answers to questions about neutrinos, might I suggest that those with a serious interest in understanding matters of the Bible round out their understanding with explanations by notoriously well-researched, middle-ground theologians (or ministers/pastors/priests)? Such people do exist (honest), and they can swiftly resolve many of the common "discrepancies" within the Bible. As a Christian, there will always remains matters of faith, so if your goal is to avoid putting faith in anything abstract (aside from the ability of the scientific method to assist humanity toward the eventual end goal of absolute understanding of the origin and subsequent functioning of the world we live in), then I'm sad to say, it might not be for you.

For the most part, unfortunately, these kinds of discussions eventually turn into circular arguments about one's faith being "illogical and unprovable", versus, "but that doesn't mean it isn't grounded in something real." By definition, followers of Christ have faith because they believe in something they cannot totally know in this life. As such, we find it difficult to share "faith" in person, let alone over internet message boards, because it is so largely a personal thing. To be quite honest, my faith is founded more in the incredible power of Christ I've witnessed thru the lives of other Christians (and I'm not talking about them performing exorcisms or speaking in tongues) in and around my life than anything written on a page. The Bible is important to me and holds the basis for much of my worldview, but it's all just words until it is experienced first hand and lived out.


All that said, I'd be willing to discuss specific points from the website if you would like. I am quite content to let it exist as it is, though, because people are entitled to come to their own conclusions.
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