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They paid Wells and Rios big contracts and had no problem paying for Ryan and Burnett.
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Ok, so when was the last one of those signed? Three years ago - at least. Hill got an extension recently too - but come on - you can see that they are refusing to bring in veterans that earn more than the minimum. Brevin Mencherson, David Delucci, Kevin Millar - there were better options out there if the Jays wanted to spend. Abreu comes to mind as an available guy that would have commanded a reasonable salary and would have been a great addition.
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Originally Posted by moon
If they thought he warranted the money they would have kept him. In terms of ability they felt it was better to let him go and get him off the team because his play on the field wasn't worth it.
Its not like they wanted to keep him but had to let him go because they didn't have the cash to afford him. If they thought he was good enough he would still be on the team.
That is a baseball decision not a payroll decision.
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We're just going to agree to disagree on Rios then.
If the Jays spend the money they saved in free agency then I will concede that I was wrong.
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They overpaid him because they offered about 10 million more than any other team out there. It wasn't a deal which was in line with what other teams were offering and Burnett went to the Jays because he liked the team/city, he went there because the money was much better than anywhere else.
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And if you could give me an example of the team investing in an improving* top shelf free agent since then I would concede the point. The Jays stopped shooting for the moon and started lobbing for the water tower.
I'm inclined to think that is payroll driven.
*not Eckstien or Thomas
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How is it oversimplified and faulty logic?
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By that logic, if the Pirates signed Sabbathia to the contract he got from the Yankees would that prove that their franchise is not ######ed by the league salary structure.
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Other teams spending the same amount of money or less have been able to compete. They have done a better job of developing players and not handing out stupid contracts.
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I would disagree about developing players, the Jays seem to do an excellent job at that. It's the swing-and-misses in free agency. I don't know if its the border or the taxes or the lack of baseball culture - but the Jays have to overspend to bring in free agents. Just not signing Burnett or Ryan is smart in hindsight - but the Jays wanted to compete and were forced by a number of factors to overspend to do so.
The Jay's pitching staff this season consists of Halladay and Ryan making big money, and handful of relievers making good money, and a stable of starters making peanuts. That sounds like pretty good asset management (read: excellent drafting/trading and development of pitching) and the only free agent they signed being an embarrassment.
To me, that suggests that the team does not have free agency as a viable option to improve their team and that is proof that between the league and Rogers this team is not competitive because of money.
Whew, have a good weekend all!