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It's more that you somehow think the fact that Youkillis turned out to be a great player is a reason Moneyball doesn't work. The real fact is that at that time Youkillis was thought of as a very average prospect that Boston didn't value that highly. Moneyball is all about finding those guys (although Beane could never trade for Youkillis).
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I am not sure where I said that Youkilis turning out to be a great player means that Moneyball doesn't work.
I said that the fact that Boston won, while supposedly being Moneyball guys, doesn't prove that it works because they didn't win based on Moneyball ideas, they won because of the fact that they spend more money than anyone else other than the Yankees.
In my view what Boston did/does has no bearing on Moneyball, positive or negative, because of the money that they spend.
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I'd like to see quotes referring to Snider as an elite contributor because I haven't heard any.
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Well Wilner and McCown are on the radio so it will be tough to find quotes, but McCown said that Snider was the top prospect in MLB on Tuesday I think, whenever Keith Law was on, and Wilner repeatedly talked up Snider on his post game shows on the Fan 590. If you haven't listened to either then I can see how you wouldn't have heard it but for anyone that has listened to them it was apparent how much both were selling the guy as a major contributor sooner than later. Wilner talked about him being there this year all the time in the early part of the year.
As for the other fans it was on other boards/ESPN/TSN from earlier in the season. I can go back and look through them to find quotes if it is that important, but considering the euphoria Jays fans were feeling early on I am not sure why you think that many of those same fans didn't think Snider was ready to go right away.