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Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

I can completely understand why this thread is among the most popular and I have a feeling that you want me to throw all types of things out there to prove the 'inside job theory'. To argue that side of things seems a little sick on such a sad subject, but at the same time it has been a subject I have been very interested in for a few years. All I can determine is from what I have read and the handful of videos I have seen and then assessed for myself what makes sense and what doesn't.

Conspiracy theories are very interesting, but I've never seen one upon investigation that doesn't quickly fall apart due to evidence or logic.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

I will agree that if this was a complete inside job, then yes there must have been a lot of people involved in making it happen. However, I am not so sure of how much I would under-estimate the CIA, which is something that nobody has mentioned thus far. The reason why I wouldn't put it past them is because they have been in the business of sponsoring terrorism for decades and there is a lot of de-classified information you can find on other subjects if you look for it. In a couple documentaries it has been noted that the reason there were no F-16's scrambled on time, was because they were a couple states over doing a drill on the exact same terrorist situation and when they were alerted, they thought is just part of the drill. That is probably not the best point to bring up out of the many, but what really gets me about that is that the exact same thing happened during the course of the 7/7 London Bombings where they were conducting a drill on the exact same situation at the exact same time. That just seemed a little weird to me.
What are the chances right? There is also the theory of the bombers themselves not even knowing they were involved and just running a drill.

In terms of the CIA, they don't exactly have a history of deadly competance in the field of covert ops, in terms of intelligence gathering they were pretty competant but really the Soviets were pretty much the kings of intelligence gathering until the wall came down. But you look at the major CIA operations and they've pretty much either been failures, underwhelming or blown open by leaks. I'll give you the title on the history of the CIA book that I have been reading, but their intelligence failures and ball dropping that occured prior to the second Iraqi war are more common then successes, especially after the 80's.

The airforce stand down has been covered, but to summarize. Up until 9/11 the U.S. military didn't have a plan in place for intercepting internal threats. All of their interception zones were outward facing. Usually at any one time there were relatively few planes on alert in any one day because the American didn't see the threat. In terms of drills and excercises, even after the cold war there wasn't a day that went by that the U.S. Airforce, Navy or Army isn't running an excercise or drill.

In terms of 7/7 its more then likely that after 9/11 the number of drills and training excercises went up exponentially, so to me its not weird that drills or excercises were happening, they're a fairly common occurance and it allowed the terrorists to catch a break.

Going back to the airforce interception issues, up until 9/11 there was no concrete communication plane between the FAA and the Airforce. There were no hardened radio links, no chain of command listing, this was all suppossed to happen over the phone and one of the biggest problems was that the FAA airforce liason was tough to find.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

So for there being thousands of people being involved in making this conspiracy work, I would suggest that perhaps only a certain amount that really knew what was up and those people aren't talking for sure, because we've all heard about what happens when you do that in the CIA.

High members of the U.S. government including the president, top members of the CIA, the command structure of either a covert special operations unit which would have to use probably delta force members to seize the planes. Passengers who have since vanished. The team of explosive demolitions people that have to plant 18000 lbs of explosives per building. High level commanders with the airforce, high level entities with the army and navy and airforce. The owners of the WTC, all of the jews that didn't show up for work that day suppossedly. The planted witnesses. etc.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

I really hope I am wrong because i have always thought that would be the sickest thing that could have possibly happened if a) the whole thing was set up, or b) it was just allowed to happen to start a war in the middle east, but there are some documentaries I can direct you towards that you may find interesting if you are willing to watch them.

There are easier and cheaper ways to start a war using power point and pictures of vans and calling them mobile chemical labs works quite well.

A small bomb in a mall with a terrorist group claiming credit. Maybe a sniper from god? The WTC/Pentagon would be accessive and wastfull.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

The government has said they have no intentions of starting a new investigation on the matter, but there are still many questions left un answered and people are left now with just speculation.

There's nothing out there that warrents a new investigation of 9/11. People are going to speculate and make up theories no matter how complete the investigation is. Alex Jones for example hasn't pointed out anything that hasn't been debunked so you can't pull up a new investigation based on his stuff. Nor Jessie Ventura who is not an expert on this subject.



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