Kind of OT, but is it possible to talk anyone down on a new car these days? A couple of years ago when I was kicking the tires on a new vehicle, they all pretty much acted smug and said their prices were non-negotiable. I specifically remember the Mazda and Honda sales people being the most arrogant.
I mean, if prices are set in stone, why even bother having sales people trying to sell you on features if you can't come back with something? Might as well just have someone working a till like any store.
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