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Originally Posted by photon

I can't confirm or deny your allegation, so I'll grant it. If he didn't speak out for it or against it, seems he just avoided the whole issue as it would have been too divisive and hurt him in the campaign. So it's just politics. I don't think Obama or any politician is some paragon of virtue, they're all calculating and smarmy to some degree.

However later he catches a ton of bad press among Evangelicals for declaring June Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride month, something no President has ever done (including bisexual and transgender in a proclamation like that).

So again that's my point, if Obama is a full bore evangelical, he keeps it to himself and does his job. Bush never made such a proclamation, and Palin has said she is against gay marriage.



Of course he's been vocal about his faith, no one could be elected in the US without that. However saying church is a pillar of the community is hardly a strong religious comment; he's clearly indicated that "church" in that case could mean any denomination while most evangelicals take the position that any church other than theirs is of the devil.

Saying that church is a pillar of the community isn't violating church and state, community is private. Saying church is a pillar of good government would be.

Palin wanted to change the constitution to say that marriage was only between a man and a woman, based on her religious beliefs.

So again Obama's either more liberal in his views or he keeps them to himself and tried to be accepting rather than divisive.



Re-read what I wrote. I said there would be zero percent chance of being elected if he was an atheist or agnostic and that if he was he would go to church to satisfy the irrational requirement of some religious people.





I made the point that you had to appear religious to win an election before you did. And I don't own any left wing sites, so I really have no idea what point you are either responding to or trying to make here, though the tone sounds like you are stereotyping me.



The political system is what it is, I don't recall ever saying how much real change I expected (or even desired) from Obama.

There would have been far more change if Palin would have ended up President, though definitely not for the good.

The kind of change I wanted from Obama I got; he's attempting to give science more importance (just look at the kind of men he's appointed to various science related positions), and he's talked about equality further than any other President has dared, and those are two things that speak to me.

The only reason that Obama is less vocal about his views, sometimes, is because of the voter base he is attempting to appeal too at the time.

The amount of religion he preaches in his speeches changes depending on the audience he is talking to.