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Old 07-15-2009, 11:07 PM   #121
jolinar of malkshor
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan View Post
You mean the numbers that Jolinar made up? That was pretty compelling, I agree. Until you realize that he doubled the number of Mexican asylum seekers and then invented imaginary costs for the rest of the numbers based on inside information that only he has but which can't be verified by the rest of us.

If you don't think the arguments being made in favour of this have the flavour and feel of a moral panic, then I respectfully disagree. You can package moral panics in all sorts of rhetoric, but if you don't think this has anything to do with the political rhetoric of nativism that is currently favoured by the Conservatives... well, let's just say that once again I respectfully disagree.

As for the heretofore hypothetical international effects, we're already seeing them--and it's getting a little chilly out there:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/...s-refugee.html

Also, for those who claim that there will be no administrative headache (see link above):


I sure hope this is worth it!

In any case, here's a "supported" argument for you. If instituting a visa requirement makes it harder to seek asylum, why not lift the visa requirement for those nations that according to Kenney have more "legitimate" asylum claimants?

The Czechs, meanwhile, have recalled their ambassador. Yeah, they're not upset at ALL.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/...as-mexico.html

Note also that the EU is entering the fray, since this restriction affects an EU member.

Great idea, Kenney.
You know what IFF. You and I have had out disagreements in the past, but this is really pissing me off. You make statements that I have misrepresented the numbers. I have showed you all the refugee numbers and corrected you on several statements that you have made. As well as provided multiple sources for additional costs and you cannot even except any of those facts. You haven't acknowledged your mistakes that I have pointed out.

I have always had somewhat of a cordial debating respect for you but I think that is now out the window.
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