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Kjesse · 07-15-2009, 11:06 PM

Anyone been following the fallout from the Tsuu T'ina nation voting 'no' to the Ring Road deal?

Lots of Calgarians are mad at the Tsuu T'ina apparently.

I think we should thank them.

For the first time, and at the suggestion of a colleague, I actually downloaded what was being voted on, and read it-- not in great detail (yet), and maybe I never will do that.

Going through it, I find it absolutely stunning what we will do all for the sake of building a road. The traffic problem is all about bad planning, and has nothing to do with the Tsuu T'ina.

Anyway, there is so much wrong with this agreement--- and most of you won't care--- but for those who do, the most glaring problem is, it actually is not a transfer of any of the Tsuu T'ina lands.... it is more like a perpetual lease... which could only cause massive problems in the future. (There are provisions for the land reverting back to the Tsuu T'ina.)

Not only that, there was never any actual clarity to which lands would be transferred to the Tsuu T'ina in addition to the $250 million they were getting.... by the way, they were getting land at a 5-1 ratio if the agreement were implemented in full in addition to the money... any lands not transferred resulted in cash compensation.

Were this ratified, the taxpayers would potentially have crushing monetary obligations to the Nation. We wouldn't know until a future date, however.

I suppose there was no possibility for the Crown to guarantee the transfer of privately owned lands to the Nation, but still, the idea of such a significant agreement being subjected to the future whims of private land owners puts those owners in a position to profit immensely at the expense of taxpayers, and would have resulted in lots of future negotiations and multiple lawsuits if the Crown didn't pay a massive premium for private lands to transfer to the Nation.

Here's a link to the webpage where the Government of Alberta claims the Tsuu T'ina would 'transfer' land as consideration (technically, that is misleading):

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2480.htm

And here is a link to the agreement itself:

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca..._Schedules.pdf

07-15-2009, 11:06 PM	#184
Kjesse Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Exp:	The Proposed 'Ring Road' Agreement -- Thank you Tsuu T'ina for voting no! Anyone been following the fallout from the Tsuu T'ina nation voting 'no' to the Ring Road deal? Lots of Calgarians are mad at the Tsuu T'ina apparently. I think we should thank them. For the first time, and at the suggestion of a colleague, I actually downloaded what was being voted on, and read it-- not in great detail (yet), and maybe I never will do that. Going through it, I find it absolutely stunning what we will do all for the sake of building a road. The traffic problem is all about bad planning, and has nothing to do with the Tsuu T'ina. Anyway, there is so much wrong with this agreement--- and most of you won't care--- but for those who do, the most glaring problem is, it actually is not a transfer of any of the Tsuu T'ina lands.... it is more like a perpetual lease... which could only cause massive problems in the future. (There are provisions for the land reverting back to the Tsuu T'ina.) Not only that, there was never any actual clarity to which lands would be transferred to the Tsuu T'ina in addition to the $250 million they were getting.... by the way, they were getting land at a 5-1 ratio if the agreement were implemented in full in addition to the money... any lands not transferred resulted in cash compensation. Were this ratified, the taxpayers would potentially have crushing monetary obligations to the Nation. We wouldn't know until a future date, however. I suppose there was no possibility for the Crown to guarantee the transfer of privately owned lands to the Nation, but still, the idea of such a significant agreement being subjected to the future whims of private land owners puts those owners in a position to profit immensely at the expense of taxpayers, and would have resulted in lots of future negotiations and multiple lawsuits if the Crown didn't pay a massive premium for private lands to transfer to the Nation. Here's a link to the webpage where the Government of Alberta claims the Tsuu T'ina would 'transfer' land as consideration (technically, that is misleading): http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2480.htm And here is a link to the agreement itself: http://www.transportation.alberta.ca..._Schedules.pdf Last edited by Kjesse; 07-15-2009 at 11:13 PM.