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Old 07-15-2009, 12:32 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor View Post
Here are a few sites I found. This one is a study by the IRB in 2004. Numbers are already 5 years old. The average cost just to the IRB was around $2,000. Now remember, these are only costs associated to the IRB. It does not included Healthcare, welfare, legal fees, CIC processing fees, initial refugee determination costs (which usually take several [h]ours per claimant by one officer) federal court costs, removal costs, Inland Enforcement costs (if the people decide they do not wish to leave once the claim is denied and officers have to go track them down), detention costs. Not to mention the costs that cannot be calculated like the reduction in service for other CIC programs, increase demand on the healthcare system, increased demand on the welfare system, increase demand on the immigration enforcement system and any potentional criminal acts that could have been committed.
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The significant decrease in decision-makers and unexpected influx of claims in 2007-2008 resulted in a pending inventory of approximately 42,300 claims; an amount that will increase in the next fiscal year without the required decision-makers. As a result, it is projected that the pending inventory could exceed 60,000 claims by the end of 2008-2009. Even with new appointments, this number will increase due in part to the time required to train new decision-makers.
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Remember, if this appeal is denied, they can again appeal to the federal court.

This is a study done regarding the costs of refugees in Canada. Page 85 it states that in 2002 refugee claimants received approximately 126 million in welfare payments. It goes on to say in the next page that refugee's take up a large portion of the $4 billion budget for the immigration program. It also states many times how hard it is to get a actual cost per refugee claimat because there are so many factors and levels of government involved the information is hard to come by.

... Canadians need to know this.

I don't get it, these refugees are costing Canadians posibily billions of dollars, bogging down our refugee system, making it harder for legitimate immigrants to enter Canada. We complain our taxes are to high, we complain that the government is inefficent. Yet, when the government tries to do something about it we have people complaining.
Man, I believe you outlined exactly the problem right there. Red tape, miles and miles of it. The difficulty of putting these refugees through our system is a problem regarding the system, not the refugees. However, my problem (and one I'm hearing from others on this thread) is that the current solution given is to add even more red tape, and layers of expense, to an already fairly bloated and inefficient system. In addition to this, the current solution given would inconvenience thousands to hundreds of thousands of innocent
bystanders who have no part in the current problem. The solution given by mykalberta I believe, to CUT the red tape, is a sensible one, and one that would probably be readily accepted by everyone involved. With the potential ramifications of the current solution becoming more and more apparent, in addition to more serious, we need to actually look at what the problem actually is. It's not that there are problems with the populations of Mexico or the Czech Republic - it's with the Canadian system. Visa requirements target their populations while making the issue worse by making it more cumbersome.


My previous post suggested that the solution to the problem is to streamline the system, and to make it far easier for refugees to come into the country. I stand by that claim. Either they come in easily, with us knowing who they are (without spending a boatload), or they come in easily (for them) without us knowing who they are, making it more difficult for the more law-abiding of the refugee hopefuls to make it in. If the costs are as astronomical as you claim, killing this red tape should easily pay for the additional welfare costs that some of these refugees will use up. After all, welfare doesn't pay all that well.
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