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jolinar of malkshor · 07-14-2009, 05:20 PM

Here are a few sites I found. This one is a study by the IRB in 2004. Numbers are already 5 years old. The average cost just to the IRB was around $2,000. Now remember, these are only costs associated to the IRB. It does not included Healthcare, welfare, legal fees, CIC processing fees, initial refugee determination costs (which usually take several ours per claimant by one officer) federal court costs, removal costs, Inland Enforcement costs (if the people decide they do not wish to leave once the claim is denied and officers have to go track them down), detention costs. Not to mention the costs that cannot be calculated like the reduction in service for other CIC programs, increase demand on the healthcare system, increased demand on the welfare system, increase demand on the immigration enforcement system and any potentional criminal acts that could have been committed.

http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/disdiv.../stream07.aspx

Here is a more recent look at the costs associated to the refugee process. Numbers from 2007. IRB average cost per claimant, now at $4700. Again, does not include all the other costs. This amount does include some legal costs.

This is for IFF.

The significant decrease in decision-makers and unexpected influx of claims in 2007-2008 resulted in a pending inventory of approximately 42,300 claims; an amount that will increase in the next fiscal year without the required decision-makers. As a result, it is projected that the pending inventory could exceed 60,000 claims by the end of 2008-2009. Even with new appointments, this number will increase due in part to the time required to train new decision-makers.

As you can see, there are more claims than can be heard, thus there is a continued backlog of claims. 10000 claims but only 5500 decisions. That is what I stated before and you claimed that my numbers were wrong.

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/rpp/2008-20.../IRB02-eng.asp

Average cost for a IRB appeal. $3000

http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/tribun...es/iaacaf.aspx

Remember, if this appeal is denied, they can again appeal to the federal court.

This is a study done regarding the costs of refugees in Canada. Page 85 it states that in 2002 refugee claimants received approximately 126 million in welfare payments. It goes on to say in the next page that refugee's take up a large portion of the $4 billion budget for the immigration program. It also states many times how hard it is to get a actual cost per refugee claimat because there are so many factors and levels of government involved the information is hard to come by.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=c...da&hl=en&gl=ca

So look at these numbers. Does it appear that I am far off? No, most certainly it is over $10,000 per claimant and if you factor in all the other costs it would be much more. Canadians need to know this.

I don't get it, these refugees are costing Canadians posibily billions of dollars, bogging down our refugee system, making it harder for legitimate immigrants to enter Canada. We complain our taxes are to high, we complain that the government is inefficent. Yet, when the government tries to do something about it we have people complaining.

Remember, if these people are legitimate refugee's they can make a claim at ANY Canadian embassy. Their claim can be heard and decided by an officer there. The system is still in place to help those that need it.

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jolinar of malkshor #1 Goaltender Join Date: May 2006 Exp:	Here are a few sites I found. This one is a study by the IRB in 2004. Numbers are already 5 years old. The average cost just to the IRB was around $2,000. Now remember, these are only costs associated to the IRB. It does not included Healthcare, welfare, legal fees, CIC processing fees, initial refugee determination costs (which usually take several ours per claimant by one officer) federal court costs, removal costs, Inland Enforcement costs (if the people decide they do not wish to leave once the claim is denied and officers have to go track them down), detention costs. Not to mention the costs that cannot be calculated like the reduction in service for other CIC programs, increase demand on the healthcare system, increased demand on the welfare system, increase demand on the immigration enforcement system and any potentional criminal acts that could have been committed. http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/disdiv.../stream07.aspx Here is a more recent look at the costs associated to the refugee process. Numbers from 2007. IRB average cost per claimant, now at $4700. Again, does not include all the other costs. This amount does include some legal costs. This is for IFF. The significant decrease in decision-makers and unexpected influx of claims in 2007-2008 resulted in a pending inventory of approximately 42,300 claims; an amount that will increase in the next fiscal year without the required decision-makers. As a result, it is projected that the pending inventory could exceed 60,000 claims by the end of 2008-2009. Even with new appointments, this number will increase due in part to the time required to train new decision-makers. As you can see, there are more claims than can be heard, thus there is a continued backlog of claims. 10000 claims but only 5500 decisions. That is what I stated before and you claimed that my numbers were wrong. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/rpp/2008-20.../IRB02-eng.asp Average cost for a IRB appeal. $3000 http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/Eng/tribun...es/iaacaf.aspx Remember, if this appeal is denied, they can again appeal to the federal court. This is a study done regarding the costs of refugees in Canada. Page 85 it states that in 2002 refugee claimants received approximately 126 million in welfare payments. It goes on to say in the next page that refugee's take up a large portion of the $4 billion budget for the immigration program. It also states many times how hard it is to get a actual cost per refugee claimat because there are so many factors and levels of government involved the information is hard to come by. http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=c...da&hl=en&gl=ca So look at these numbers. Does it appear that I am far off? No, most certainly it is over $10,000 per claimant and if you factor in all the other costs it would be much more. Canadians need to know this. I don't get it, these refugees are costing Canadians posibily billions of dollars, bogging down our refugee system, making it harder for legitimate immigrants to enter Canada. We complain our taxes are to high, we complain that the government is inefficent. Yet, when the government tries to do something about it we have people complaining. Remember, if these people are legitimate refugee's they can make a claim at ANY Canadian embassy. Their claim can be heard and decided by an officer there. The system is still in place to help those that need it.