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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
It has nothing to do with being serious or dark or edgy. Substance is not about being 'gritty'. It's about good stories that are intelligent with human touches that make you think about things.
For the Transformers? I've never liked the premise of the new movies, the Allspark that they are fighting for is realy an All-Macguffin that is just an arbitrary plot-object that two opposing good/evil forces are fighting over. It could be anything at all. The old cartoon was pretty terrible and silly but the basic story was actually pretty interesting as it an allegory to the energy crisis of the 70s and 80s.
In the original cartoon, the reason the Autobots and Decepticons left Cybertron is that years of war had left their planet barren, ruined, and starved of energy and no more resources of any kind and they went out into the universe in search of new sources of energy. The Decepticon's chief goal became plundering earth's natural resources and energy and sending it back to Cybertron to continue the war while the Autobots stayed to protect the humans from Decepticon attacks. The decepticons were stealing Earth's supplies of oil, strip mining, drilling to the earth's core, etc. and basically wrecking the planet to extract all the things they wanted. There was an environmental angle you could go after.
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I can't agree with you on this debate. I don't see any problems with a movie having a lame story, or very little character development, or any allegories. I went to the movie last night to see crap being blown up, and I got what I wanted. Would the movie have been better if there was more substance to it??? Probably, but I didn't walk out of the theatre really caring.
I understand what you're trying to say here, I really do, but I just can't agree. I know that makes me sound like some dumb punk ass kid....