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Nage Waza · 06-15-2009, 11:08 PM

I actually laugh at people that claim they knew before hand that Bush and his team were lying about the WMDs. And their assorted claims after the fact are either complete ignorance to what truly took place or simple lies. The more people say it seems the more they show their complete bias. They almost have a revisionist version of the events. Although many people did disagree with the invasion, they were certainly guessing that the government was wrong or decidedly against any kind of war.

The general academic consensus is that many nations in the world believed that Iraq was still developing the weapons; in fact Iraq was not cooperating with the inspectors. The UN was warning Iraq that they should allow inspectors. The US warned Iraq that if they do not allow full freedom to the inspectors, then they will remove the Saddam regime. After the war, the US discovered that the nuclear ambitions likely ended after the gulf war, in the early 90's. The US did discover that chemical weapons might have been the more deadly and closer threat. In fact, long range missiles were certainly being developed. Several investigations by both sides of the political spectrum have found no wrongdoing (not enough at least to accuse the Bush admin of some sort of conspiracy), although there has been much to say about the propaganda used by the Bush admin to justify the war. Keep in mind that the rationale to invade is a totally seperate thing from the media.
We can argue about this all day, but what I have wrote is a pretty good summary. The people that hate Bush and call him a moron or whatnot are IMO, not worth debating. Years from now we can discuss the impact Bush had on the world. Right now it looks bad, but hindsite is 20/20. As a supporter of Israel, dismantling a regime that blindly launches rockets at Israel (or anyone else) is a good thing. Looking at Iraq now though, it might not have been a great thing. They say that Saddam had almost no exposure to the outside world and truly thought what he was doing was great...I think in North Korea we are witnessing another leader doing the same thing. He will brag about nuclear missiles, but when do we take him seriously? I like Obama's approach (if this is true) to open dialogue with some of these crazies.
I don't want to open the debate on Bush, but come on, let's get serious with what we are talking about here. The lunacy of the Jewish connection, what politician invested in what (my retirement mutual fund also has money in lots of the same things) and other assorted crackpot things is way too silly to waste our time on.
I hope they can figure their stuff out in Iran, the nation seems to have a great deal of pride that perhaps can be pointed in a more beneficial direction.

06-15-2009, 11:08 PM	#83
Nage Waza Offered up a bag of cans for a custom user title Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Westside Exp:	I actually laugh at people that claim they knew before hand that Bush and his team were lying about the WMDs. And their assorted claims after the fact are either complete ignorance to what truly took place or simple lies. The more people say it seems the more they show their complete bias. They almost have a revisionist version of the events. Although many people did disagree with the invasion, they were certainly guessing that the government was wrong or decidedly against any kind of war. The general academic consensus is that many nations in the world believed that Iraq was still developing the weapons; in fact Iraq was not cooperating with the inspectors. The UN was warning Iraq that they should allow inspectors. The US warned Iraq that if they do not allow full freedom to the inspectors, then they will remove the Saddam regime. After the war, the US discovered that the nuclear ambitions likely ended after the gulf war, in the early 90's. The US did discover that chemical weapons might have been the more deadly and closer threat. In fact, long range missiles were certainly being developed. Several investigations by both sides of the political spectrum have found no wrongdoing (not enough at least to accuse the Bush admin of some sort of conspiracy), although there has been much to say about the propaganda used by the Bush admin to justify the war. Keep in mind that the rationale to invade is a totally seperate thing from the media. We can argue about this all day, but what I have wrote is a pretty good summary. The people that hate Bush and call him a moron or whatnot are IMO, not worth debating. Years from now we can discuss the impact Bush had on the world. Right now it looks bad, but hindsite is 20/20. As a supporter of Israel, dismantling a regime that blindly launches rockets at Israel (or anyone else) is a good thing. Looking at Iraq now though, it might not have been a great thing. They say that Saddam had almost no exposure to the outside world and truly thought what he was doing was great...I think in North Korea we are witnessing another leader doing the same thing. He will brag about nuclear missiles, but when do we take him seriously? I like Obama's approach (if this is true) to open dialogue with some of these crazies. I don't want to open the debate on Bush, but come on, let's get serious with what we are talking about here. The lunacy of the Jewish connection, what politician invested in what (my retirement mutual fund also has money in lots of the same things) and other assorted crackpot things is way too silly to waste our time on. I hope they can figure their stuff out in Iran, the nation seems to have a great deal of pride that perhaps can be pointed in a more beneficial direction.