[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Alright, I have about six years of formal education on climate...and in fact, I think the Michael Fox (mentioned above) was my prof several times.
Here is the thing: When I read and watch some of the stuff on TV, it makes me cringe because most of it is babble. The logic, quotes and reenactments are usually really bad and junk science. The point though is that the earth goes through regular climatic patterns...we basically are just coming out of an ice age. We have also had smaller ice ages since the last major ice age. The sun is the culprit and there are ways we can deal with the sun, by manipulating the gasses and the surface of our planet.
So, since we all basically live in this Petri dish, anything we do WILL HAVE AN IMPACT. The argument is then, what impact will we have? We are clearly ruining this planet, and no scientist argues that (of course you might find a couple from Edmonton or something). The oceans are in DEEP trouble, man likes to blow each other up, and we are polluting like crazy. So just like politics, humanity has polarized itself into two groups, group 1 that is radically for conservation and group 2 that is for doing anything, as long as the REAL science proves it.
Group 1 (sorry liberals) use scare tactics and a bunch of hogwash to get their point across which to me, rubs the group 2 guys wrong.
Man for sure is impacting the climate. Go stand somewhere a developer has ripped out the vegetation, then go stand in a forest. Major difference. But is it enough to overcome the impact of solar cycles? I don't know, we would be fools not to try. The ice age (iirc) start from a four degree drop in ocean temperatures, it is that little. When the next ice age comes, society as we know it is likely over.
I can get into technical babble with the geologists in here since they do study the earth and universe, but most of the cool stuff in commercials do not include any real science of any sort.
I have been on the building side of nearly a dozen mine sites from scratch, and there is a very REAL impact on the local environment and climate.

Are we? The Earth has had much much much much worse things happen to it, yet it still springs life again...Bottom line the earth will survive, we won't.