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Originally Posted by Gozer
For one, as a fan I want to watch Doc pitch - record be damned..
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It's easy to say that, but I guarantee the Jays get better ratings/attendance as an 85 win team without Doc than a 75 win team with Doc.
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Secondly, I think the Jays are a mid-80s type team, a team that should be competing for the playoffs.
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That's probably a fair assessment and basically the most important evaluation is any discussion of trading Halladay. It really depends on what the Jays can do the rest of the way. If they can prove themselves to be an 80-85 win team this season, adding Marcum and McGowan could easily be 12 wins added to the team (not to mention the progression of Lind and Snider). But if the Jays fall off the map this season, Doc's value to the Jays drops off dramatically. An elite player is worth a lot more to a playoff contending team than a mid-70's win team.
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Thirdly, you never "win" a trade when you're trading away the best player in the league.
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That's a pretty simplistic view of things. It's pretty easy to win any trade for Halladay if the right deal is made. Getting a can't miss prospect at shortstop who develops into a perrenial all-star easily has more value than Doc (much cheaper and more good years ahead of him)