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Originally Posted by 4X4
So, like, what are you trying to say? That the child baker is a terrible person? Is that what you're saying? Because I don't think that very many people will disagree. But if you're saying he's the same as the guy who deliberately locks up his kid so that he can go gamble, then you're just wrong.
And I think you're missing KTrain's point. He posted the article not to get support for the guy in the article. He posted it as a contrast to the usual news reports that we hear and immediately condemn the person.
Really, it sounds to me like you're only posting to make sure that nobody feels bad for the guy that baked his kid. And that's a little sad I think.
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here comes 4X4 completely missing the point and just chomping at the bit to disagree with me.
I know that KTrain isn't trying to support the Calgarian gambler. He's been explicit on that very point. And on that we're on agreement.
And of course I'm not saying the father in the article is the same as the guy who locks up his kid. We've already distinguished them on the basis of the intent.
But as the article itself points out, these kinds of cases stretch the limits of justice and fairness and punishment. The whole point of the article, and I presume KTrain's posting of it, was to develop a discussion.
So my point, since you asked, is to ask about the negligence behind such acts. KTrain himself, as I understand him, is saying that such negligence doesn't make someone "terrible". I'm questioning that. I'd argue that it's criminal negligence and therefore terrible. Seems some people agree with me and some people don't. At what point does an error of this size define one as a parent? Some people think it doesn't... some, like me, think it does.
Now, I'm not saying stone the guy or go after him with pitchforks and torches as you seem to think. In fact, I'm not entirely sure criminal punishment is the way to go in these situations. But then, what is? Just say, 'ok, he just made a mistake and that's punishment enough?' Before you can hold someone accountable for their actions you need to first define their transgression... and I thought that's what we're doing here by having a discussion on it. I hope that's ok with you.