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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
So... you agree with Obama's more measured approach, then. Good to know.
You can't use Paul Krugman as cover for your naked hatred of Obama without accounting for who Paul Krugman is--which if you'd been paying attention, you'd know was my point all along. The "Obama spends way too much money" critique is totally incompatible with Krugman's critique, which is that Obama is too careful and too conservative.
Look: this isnt' rocket science. And I feel I should explain what may have come across as some "hostility" in my post. Azure posted a quote and an argument. I responded with another quote and another argument. It's called having a civilized discussion, even though we agree on virtually nothing. Azure and I have these a lot; we rarely agree, but--and this is important--we try to understand what the other person is saying and where they're coming from.
You, on the other hand, pretended to know what we were talking about (not to mention pretending to have the first clue who Paul Krugman is) and posted "haha too funny" as though I should be embarrassed by Azure's post, which was in fact respectful, smart, and worthy of a response in kind. Your post actually diminished the entire level of discourse--and ironically, it came right after our discussion about how the anonymity of the internet destroys civility by insulating people from the necessity of understanding other points of view.
So Azure didn't "get" me--and he wasn't playing "gotcha" anyway. He was participating in a discussion.
I have no illusions that this post will "reach" you in any way. But I hope it does--I don't think you should change who you are in an ideological sense. Just introduce yourself to the idea that other points of view are possible and legitimate. I have long since abandoned the fantasy that I am "always right." I make mistakes. I say things that are wrong. I make predictions that don't come true. It's called being human--and recognizing the imperfection of your own point of view can open up the wide world of possibilities in which you can learn from people who disagree with you.
Not everything has to be a fight. Not everything has to be a "gotcha" game. Sometimes we can just have a civilized discussion--disagree with each other, in a civilized way--and learn about other points of view in the process. It's a beautiful thing.
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Gotta love all this condescending preaching, pretending you know me, trying to educate me how to participate in a civil discussion. Almost makes me to want to see your degree in psychology, when from a couple of my posts you can come up with stuff like "i hate obama while i agree with his more measured approach"
But I will give you one thing, you claimed that Krugman's position is that he thinks the plan is "too small." As vague a statement that is, I assumed (and I think Azure did too) you meant "the pile of dollar bills is not big enough." If that's not what you mean, I was wrong. Krugman's position is, of course, that a lot of money should be spent, but in a different way Obama proposes. For the record, I think both ways are wrong.