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Originally Posted by Thunderball
Its incomprehensible moral stands like this that has made most organized religions increasingly intolerable to the majority. Its unfortunate that this is leading to atheism, essentially a lack of spiritual belief, rather than what it really is, an utter failure of an increasingly psychotic human leadership in these groups. Yes, psychotic is the right word, if someone believes benevolent abortion is worse than rape, abuse, paedophilia and likely child-birth related death of the mother, they belong in a strait jacket.
Even in places like France, Italy, and Spain, attendance and commitment are dropping like a rock. They are increasingly losing tolerance for the church. Even for cultural observances.
In the end, the Church is going to be left as an irrelevant group of zealots and psychotics, on par with many cults they have spoken against in the past if they are not careful.
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You are arguing for people (at the head of churches) to rationally change/evolve their moral stand on issues as the times and our understanding of those issues changes/evolves with the times.
THAT is atheism. Atheists still have morality, it is just based on logic and reason instead of doctrine, 'faith', and superstition.
IF the church changed over time then only one generation could be correct in their faith and all others would have believed the wrong thing (and thus be banished to hell or not have their souls saved or whatever). So in this case, if in 600AD or 1200AD or 1800AD the 9yr old was at fault and the father-rapist was not at fault than that is how it has to be today. NO EXCEPTIONS. It is either the word of god or it is not. You don't get to change it just because it becomes uncomfortable and antiquated. Luckily a lot of us have realized the one rational thing to do is get out of it all together and just be a rationally thinking individual (atheist).
Trying to change the basis of interpretation of the bible, as if it is a minor tweak, is a joke. The catholic church inparticular is about a central authority telling you what to believe. There is very little room for any free thinking in the catholic church, only in a few places like Canada where the church has turned a blind eye for fear of total church collapse do people think that is an acceptable way to be catholic. Once you start believing in your own version of the bible you are at best 'christian'.
Claeren.