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Burninator · 03-10-2009, 01:11 PM

I think the idea of putting a tip on automatically is incredibly pretentious. Not everyone would be comfortable asking to talk to the manager to not leave a tip. Most people like to avoid conflict, and no matter how you phrase it you are putting the customer on the defencive. You are making them justify why they shouldn't have to pay this number printed on the bill. The people who don't like the idea or got poor service will most likely pay the full amount with the tip and not come back.

It seems like you are putting the cart before the horse OP. Tipping should be based on the service. My only suggestion would be to offer a higher base wage or some sort of other benefit that would entice staff. Waiting on tables is a job that is largely based on tips, which is based on your service. I'm not sorry if being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. It pays what it pays. Tipping should not be mandatory.

In my opinion if I went to a restaurant that had that setup and I wasn't so much of a pansy I would tell the manager I thought it was pretentious and I do not wish to leave a tip based solely on that. However since I am a pansy I would pay the tip, complain about it to my girlfriend in the car ride home, and not return to the restaurant. Maybe you are a niche restaurant but for the most part one can get the same food at another dozen restaurants in the city that don't demand a tip or have crappy service. I don't think I use a single service in the city that offers a good product with crappy service.

Personally I think tipping is starting to grow into a monster. More and more businesses are expecting tipping and now they are considering demanding it. It has essentially turned into the encore of a concert. Bands are expected to come back on to stage and play a couple more songs. An encore wasn't always treated that way nor was tipping. However I don't know who to blame, the customer or the business. I'm sure it's a combination of them both. I have honestly had a waitress come up to our table and say that the tip wasn't enough. And I have honestly gone for lunch that took over two hours (during my one hour lunch break) and barely got any refills of our drinks, no apology for the delay, and there was still people at the table that wanted to leave a tip. I think both of those examples are awful forms of tipping gone mad by both sides.

03-10-2009, 01:11 PM	#99
Burninator Franchise Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Exp:	I think the idea of putting a tip on automatically is incredibly pretentious. Not everyone would be comfortable asking to talk to the manager to not leave a tip. Most people like to avoid conflict, and no matter how you phrase it you are putting the customer on the defencive. You are making them justify why they shouldn't have to pay this number printed on the bill. The people who don't like the idea or got poor service will most likely pay the full amount with the tip and not come back. It seems like you are putting the cart before the horse OP. Tipping should be based on the service. My only suggestion would be to offer a higher base wage or some sort of other benefit that would entice staff. Waiting on tables is a job that is largely based on tips, which is based on your service. I'm not sorry if being a waiter/waitress is a hard job. It pays what it pays. Tipping should not be mandatory. In my opinion if I went to a restaurant that had that setup and I wasn't so much of a pansy I would tell the manager I thought it was pretentious and I do not wish to leave a tip based solely on that. However since I am a pansy I would pay the tip, complain about it to my girlfriend in the car ride home, and not return to the restaurant. Maybe you are a niche restaurant but for the most part one can get the same food at another dozen restaurants in the city that don't demand a tip or have crappy service. I don't think I use a single service in the city that offers a good product with crappy service. Personally I think tipping is starting to grow into a monster. More and more businesses are expecting tipping and now they are considering demanding it. It has essentially turned into the encore of a concert. Bands are expected to come back on to stage and play a couple more songs. An encore wasn't always treated that way nor was tipping. However I don't know who to blame, the customer or the business. I'm sure it's a combination of them both. I have honestly had a waitress come up to our table and say that the tip wasn't enough. And I have honestly gone for lunch that took over two hours (during my one hour lunch break) and barely got any refills of our drinks, no apology for the delay, and there was still people at the table that wanted to leave a tip. I think both of those examples are awful forms of tipping gone mad by both sides.