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Originally posted by EddyBeers@Aug 24 2004, 01:07 AM
1) Massive loss of jobs: The Bush government predicted in his 2002 economic report ( a report drawn up after 9/11 and any other economic calamity that once can come up with) that there would 138 million payroll jobs by 2004, right now the Americans are at 131 million, 7 million less than Bush predicted himself.
2) Shrinking middle class : Please see above, but for further proof Bill Clinton created 22 million jobs during his 8 years in office, Bush will become the first president since Hoover to lose jobs. Jobs that Bush is creating are less affluent than the jobs they lost. Please see Lou Dobbs on CNN for more documented proof on this matter.
3) I do not think that the world hated Bush on 9/12/01 but that may just be my opinion. He had an opportunity to use that goodwill, but instead implemented a defence plan drafted by Wolfowitz and Cheney in 1992 ( a plan that was incidently leaked to the NY Times at the time and disavowed by GHW Bush), a plan that could not gain the support of any nations who did not receive substantial American foreign aid outside of Spain, Great Britain and Australia.
4) This site is more dedicated to the offloading of taxes to the states under Bush, but the final paragraph is on the average tax cut per group of people. Those earning more than 1 million dollars received on average 371 times larger monetary gain than the bottom 60% of American income earners. Despite this, they refused to invest it in the American economy (please see points one and two) thus proving the falacy of supply side economics.
http://www.bushtax.com/
5) Well we can agree to disagree on this one, but his made for 2004 election moment saying "Mission Accomplished" sure won't be on any ads this fall. I thought that meant that the mission was accomplished, I would love to see the direct quote where dubya says "Military activities against the bathist regime have been completed" or something to that effect.
6) They pulled out of the multilateral International Court, they pulled out of the mulitilateral Kyoto Accord, they pulled out of the multilateral Anti-Ballistic Missiles treaty, the multilateral Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, Missile defence shield, refusal to sing landmine treaty, pulling out of the 143 nation treaty regarding biological weapons. I could list more, but I think the "bent" is becoming apparent.
7) I do not know how to respond to this one, Novak is one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders in the mainstream media in the USA outside of Fox News. The point of leaking the name is to shut up Wilson and let him know that they know no bounds regarding other people's personal lives.
Please see blackballing of John McCain in South Carolina, using bigotry to get Republicans to vote for Bush because of "annonymous" reports that McCain adopted a black child, when in reality it was a Cambodian orphan. Please see anything on Karl Rove if you need to know why it was leaked.
8) The money that Clinton gave him is a mere fraction of the money allocated to him personally under Bush and the money cumulatively given to his organization.
I eagerly look forward to your correspondence.
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1. So your beef is not with the loss of jobs, but the inability to meet the goals his administration set for job creation? That's a much more reasonable issue IMO. I eagerly await John Kerry's job creation plan. Simply spouting that Bush has lost more jobs than any president since Hoover is a statement that lacks bite. Of course he did. The American business community panicked on 9/11.
2. You didn't give me anything new here really. I don't think I can get an appointment to meet with Lou Dobbs, so a little more specificity would be helpful.
3. Fair enough. It's also fair, then, to note that certain opposing nations had illegal interests in Iraq at the time which throws into question the assertion (common) that these countries opposed the action because it was wrong. We've also found that the UN's administration of the Oil for Food porgram was rife with corruption and another reason that people didn't want to see Hussein out of power. Certainly American intelligence was flawed, but Hussein didn't comply with the resoultion (1441) that he had every opportunity to avoid the war with. Hell, who knows, maybe he did so just to hasten the failure of Bush.
4. See, I have a problem with this analysis of the tax cut, and unfortunately it's the one that gets used all the time. Your supply side economics issue is much more relevant than the disparity between upper class and lower class cuts. You see, most people who make $50,000 or less, have children and are marred don't pay ANY income tax to start with. So you can't cut their taxes. They (WE) did get increased credits for children and standard deductions which were very welcome to me. How can the Feds cut my income tax if I don't pay any to start with? Now, if the richies of the USA pocketed the cash instead of investing it (hard to imagine...come on now) then you can argue they don't deserve the tax cut they got and I probably wouldn't argue with you. Are you telling me, though, that all this money they received as a result of the tax cut is under mattresses?
5. I wasn't quoting Bush with what I said....but on that day, with his announcement, I took it to mean that Saddam Hussein's government had been defeated and it had. I won't argue that the plan from this point on has proven to be tragically flawed. I await John Kerry's plan for Iraq and I find it hard to belive that the insurgency will end when he is elected. He'll be facing the same complex problems.
6. I'll have to reasearch most of these, but the US never signed the Kyoto Accord to begin with...mainly because our environmental laws are among the toughest in the world. You can't pull out of something you were never a part of.
7. More of the Bush dirty ad stuff? I thought I told you guys Kerry did the same thing to Dean. Forgive me if your point of leaking Wilson's wife's name seems more than a little counterproductive to me in a logical sense. What did they need to shut Wilson up about? Wilson's foot is firmly entrenched in his mouth. He's a liar.
8. Chalabi...mere fraction? So what. Makes zero difference and is a non-issue. The US government got played by this guy and he's been playing them for a long, long time. Clinton's adminitstration is no less guilty.
Thanks for dropping the childish antics. It's appreciated.