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Old 02-28-2009, 09:51 PM   #219
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A couple of things. First of all, $59,000 is too low and I'm not sure where you got that number. My guess is that is an extremely outdated number for veteran teacher (maybe from the 1990s?). Here is what teachers actually make. In case you don't feel like checking the link, it is from that Alberta Teachers' Association website, item 3. A teacher with his/her Masters of Teaching (basic requirement for a teacher coming out of the UofC) with 0 years of experience makes $54,449/year. A teacher with 11 years of experience makes $82,999/year.
Fair enough. 82,999/year is the epitome fair for the example I used.

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Secondly, even with a current pay schedule, maybe your teacher did deserve more. I know a merit-based system has been brought up - it would be nice to see these sorts of teachers rewarded to a greater degree than teachers that don't give so much.
Agreed!

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I can't figure out where you're coming from with this.
You said this:

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If they enjoy spending their free time enriching themselves and their students as a result, that is wonderful. Again, a lot of people give more than what is required of them to their jobs, but it is not something taxpayers should be expected to compensate them for.
To which I replied:

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So maybe he should work for free? Oh hell, maybe everybody who isn't completely miserable with their lives should work for free??? Would that make you feel better?
...which was perhaps a little over the top, so I apologize. Let me put it this way. Its billable hours, isnt it? Wouldn't that make it essentially over-time? Sorry, but billable hours is billable hours.

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I have a degree and I do enjoy my job. Just because, as a taxpayer, I feel as though I'm getting a raw deal with the agreements we've made with teachers' unions and teachers as a result, doesn't mean I don't like my job.
You want to talk about getting a raw deal as a taxpayer?????? Talk to the effing government about horrible waste, mis-management and gluttony. Give me a break, you're mad as a taxpayer about the teacher's union???? I can think of a tonne of hospitals, schools, gun registries, and other major financial debacles that are far more significant than the friggin teacher's union. Paul Martin and his shipping line anyone? Or maybe how Ed Stelmach pissed away the spoils of the recent economic boom?

Teacher's union....pffft.

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And it's very insensitive of you to minimize "minimum vacation time allotments" (you used the derogatory word "quibble" and you lumped it in with "BS") and the effects these have on real people. I suggested that more than half of Calgarians do in fact receive the minimum, but actually I'm sure it's way more than half. I'm having a hard time finding Canadian stats to back me up, but this American link is at least food for thought - it shows just how little holiday time people actually get. The national average in 1996 for full-time employees was just 7.6 days of paid holiday time.
So move to Germany (I used to live there), where the only thing open on a Sunday is the Hospital, the Fire-house, the Jail, and the Church. Can't even buy milk. That is 52 more stat-holidays a year! But their economy is doing just great I hear!
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