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Old 02-17-2009, 08:31 PM   #26
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Obama isn't going to create a Utopia....and anyone who thinks he will is deluded.

The guy is bound by the political machine in Washington. Reid and Pelosi are going to force him to do what THEY want done.

I've said it many times, but Washington needs more change than just a President. Congress needs a BIG overhaul too.
Then theres what 'is' utopia, because its different for a lot of people. The best societies I've had a chance to see is Nordic countries, obviously I'm biased, but America is to me far from what I would call utopia, even when America is booming and everthing seems great.

But to me education, healthcare and other socialist factors are important to me, its not very important to most Americans.

I think to build a great society worthy of attempting to be utopian you firstly have to have universal health care, excellent education and possibly things like 4 month paid vacations, extended child birth leave, and many of the extra benefits of a higher tax/higher benefit socialist society.

But thats my ideal, and to an American I'm a dirty communist for even thinking that, even though if I took the most anti-socialist American and forced them to live 5 years in Sweden, Norway, et al; they'd if not change their mind, they would definately no longer look at socialism as some evil the world has to rid.

Its just funny to me to watch the average lower/middle class Americans defending Capitalism without any socialist policies, even though the vast majority of the rich represent a tiny % of their country who are benefited by the policies that make life difficult for poor to middle income americans.

Its a weird thing, its like watching serfs in old Europe defending their lords/ladies for their extravegant lifestyle and justifying it as best for them.
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