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Originally Posted by Cheese
ROFLMAO...talk about holy! Here for you and my friend CC
Real Edumucation
While it is true that Joseph Stalin (1879-1953), Mao Zedong (1893-1976) and Pol Pot (1925-1998) were all atheists, this is not the only thing they have in common. They were also men, political leaders and communists. Merely citing common denominators does not establish the cause of their actions. It is important to consider what was the main driving force in their committing atrocities against their own people.
...in no case is atheism central to the building of these dogmatic positions. Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people. If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator. Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism. This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism: Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation...
It is important to pause for a moment and consider this statement carefully. If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?
Edumucation
Are atheists communists? Of course not. Some atheists are communists, and communists have been taught to be atheists, but becoming an atheist doesn't affect your politics.
Many people who have been classified as atheists have simply been raised under a communist regime. These are atheists by default or convenience, not atheists by conviction, personal experience or logical deduction. They are wide open for conversion, partly because they haven't been exposed to any religions, they have very little natural immunity like children raised in over-clean houses. In contrast atheists in Europe and America tend to be atheists by personal choice. Very few people are forced to be atheists against their will, while they are impressionable. Religious indoctrination of children will, one day, be accepted as the crime against humanity that it is.
- Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years:
"One strength of the Communist system ...is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion."
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What a load of errr stuff.
Its an elegant argument that totally ignores reality. And I love the smary tone.
If I so desired, I could go on the web, look for arguments that support the opposite and you'd write it off as religious propaganda.
I'm not talking about Karl Marx, I'm not talking about communism as a religion, Karl Marx designed communism as a Utopian economic and political system. It were men like Stalin, Mao and the other genocidal maniacs who believed that they were the gods in their own universe, and that there was no price to pay for reshaping the universe to their needs and goals.
At the best, they believed in god and he was a threat to their own plans, at worse, they believed that there was no true judgement for their actions besides history and results during their lifetime.
I understand that your passionate about your side of the argument, but your coming across as a bit of an ass with your tone.
You want to debate, debate, you want to throw out insults and act like an inferior superior, then I have no need for you.