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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
But you can't have it both way, Pol Pot, Mao, The two Kims, Stalin all believed in one lifespan with no repercussions, they had no faith and they were monsters. They believed that they controlled the natural order of things revolved around them. So if your going argue that people who believe in god or religion are these monsters and mass murderers then you also have to accept that these god less men are truly monsters.
It wasn't communist theory that lead to these murders, communism is an economic system. It was these people and their own belief systems that lead to the killings.
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Again you are missing a key point, you can kill in the name of God, you can't kill in the name of non belief
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you can't have it both ways.
Religion can allow mass murder in the name of God, with full justification and acceptance by all its followers who deem themselves good moral human beings.
Atheism is a proposition that is simply non belief in god(s). How can that equate to the end result that Atheists commit murder for lack of belief?
The apologetic counter point can be found here if you are intersted:
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...ury_atrocities
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Red Herring
The idea that gulags and death camps are the end game of reason and skeptical inquiry is wrong; no atrocities are the result of being too skeptical, too reasonable, too rational, questioning the prevailing dogma or wanting evidence for claims. This argument only serves to keep the pressure away from questioning religion.
When refuted, it is made again ad nauseam. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris both refuted the argument in their books and still a large preponderance of reviews contained the argument again as a rebuttal to their work. The argument serves as a Reductio ad Hitlerum implicitly accusing atheists of being like Nazis or Stalinists.
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