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Originally posted by Incinerator@Jun 9 2005, 08:39 PM
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@Jun 9 2005, 08:24 PM
I'll try not to sound like a heartless bas**rd here, but the ugly truth is that there will always be less fortunate people out there due to basic economics: scarcity of resources, there is simply not enough to go around in this world to afford every one of us 6 billion+ humans a decent life, so some less fortunate people will just have to deal with it, maybe they'll have better luck next life? There is only so much everyone else can do to help. The problem with communists and socialists is that they daydream all day about a perfect world.
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I just can't believe that's true. Every day we see how wasteful our culture is, how it is a culture of excess. We don't just fill our needs, society manufactures new "wants" so that we will continue to consume new products.
There's easily enough resources for everyone on the planet to have a decent life. That's fact.
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It's not a fact, it's your opinion. My opinion is that what you just said is a myth. I'll leave it at that.
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How can you believe it's a myth? And how can you leave it at that? This is probably the most fundamental issue in the world today. Providing food, water, shelter, etc for everyone on the planet.
Think of how much you need to live (food, water, shelter). Now think of how much extra you have that you don't NEED to live. Now think of all the rich countries and how many people live in them. Then think about all the poor countries and how much they have, how many people they have and how much they would need to be able to get water, food and shelter.
The average Canadian, American, Western European, etc makes easily over twice what they need to live if not much, much higher.
Saying that we don't have enough resources to feed, clothe and shelter everyone in the world, now that's the myth. And I can't believe anyone could believe it. What's your argument? How are you thinking that's possible? [/b][/quote]
If the issue is as easy as you've just described it, why aren't you living only on food and shelter? Why are you posting on CP on your high speed internet connection. Where did you get your education from? It's not all free you know, would you like to give up everything you have right now if a nutjob named Marx jr. came along and told you he can give EVERYONE on this planet the basics, the catch is that everybody would have to live on ONLY the basics?
Fact is, depending in what type of setting/environment you were born into, you will need certain things other than food and shelter to live. If you live in the third world, you will need clean water, food, and shelter. If you live in the developed world, you will need to be literate, at the very least, and that means and education. You will need money, from a job, to pay for food and shelter, means of transportaion, means of communication....etc etc etc etc......
If the issue was as simple as you've just described it everybody would be living in socialist utopia right now instead of just a portion of hypocrites talking about it, no?